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Date: August 07, 2008 at 09:57:59
From: eatus,
Subject: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
URL: http://chronicle.com/news/article/4934/new-york-city-hospital-corporation-signs-100-million-deal-with-caribbean-medical-school |
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The article -- at the link -- addresses an innovative clerkship program for SGU Medical School students and the negative response from (some) Americans. Be sure to read the comment at the end of the article as well.
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Date: August 07, 2008 at 10:10:52
From: CPD,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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>>My comments have to do with the quality of education at St. George’s university in Grenada. I have done several workshops for department chairs, deans, and faculty at the School of Medicine there. (I have done research and authored several books for academic chairs and deans.) As I recall, about 90+ percent of their graduates passed the medical boards in the U.S. I was impressed with the very high quality of the departments and the extraordinary energy and commitment expended in the education of their students. I am unable to speak about the financial aspects raised in your article.<<
The above comment is very interesting, in light of all the negative comments being posted here recently.
Who should I believe, naysayers sitting on the sidelines passing judgement, or someone (very qualified to boot) who has worked within the system? Looks like a no-brainer to me.
And my daughter has passed thru the system, and got all her credits transferred to her school in the US. Evidently somebody is impressed enough to accept their credits.
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Date: August 08, 2008 at 01:39:30
From: Punkin Puss and Mouse,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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So because someone calling themselves "Ann Lucas, Ph.D." post a positive comment on an opened blogg, that adds big credibility to the story? What planet are you from? Who is this "Ann Lucas, Ph.D." ?? Do you mind tell us something about this poster?
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Date: August 08, 2008 at 08:35:20
From: CPD,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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Ahhh boy, little minds.
Ann Lucas is not the subject at hand. We are discussing the merits, or lack thereof, of the educational institution called SGU.
If yu have something to contribute then do so, if not........................
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Date: August 09, 2008 at 16:26:47
From: Mash Mouse,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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Retard, this is what you wrote:
"The above comment is very interesting, in light of all the negative comments being posted here recently."
*COMMENT* is the subject. Who make THE Comment? Was that the reference of you post? Yes. So that makes you even dummer!
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Date: August 07, 2008 at 10:23:42
From: eatus,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/07/opinion/07thu2.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin |
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CPD, quality is quality irrespective of the environment in which it resides. More specifically, SGU's medical school has over the years proven itself to be a credible institution whose graduates have validated those characteristics. Unfortunately, the "naysayers" avoid those facts even in the face of the hard evidence that places SGU medical school graduates in very good standing among their peers. (See the linked Editorial from the New York Times.)
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Date: August 07, 2008 at 10:37:35
From: CPD,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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I accept that initially the school had an unenviable reputation, but the powers-that-be worked their tails off to get it wherre it is today.
It is said that only students that cannot get into schools in the US attend SGU. I beg to differ. I know students here who came specifically because of the curriculum, and the quality of the lecturers. Take a look at some of the graduates, and their positions in their respective societies. They not only hold their end, they have excelled in their respective fields.
Most of the negative rantings are based on early perceptions, and are purely emotional. Thay are definitely not based on facts, as they exist today.
It is my opinion that this school will hold it's end against any Ivy League institution. Yeah, I know it sounds far fetched, but the results speak for them selves. And I am not talking about walking into a job interview and getting a job based on where you went to school, I am talking about individual knowledge, and one's ability to operate effectively in the workplace.
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Date: August 08, 2008 at 01:40:30
From: SGU_Student,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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"It is said that only students that cannot get into schools in the US attend SGU. I beg to differ. I know students here who came specifically because of the curriculum, and the quality of the lecturers. Take a look at some of the graduates, and their positions in their respective societies. They not only hold their end, they have excelled in their respective fields."
I am a Grenadian who is at the end of my 3rd year at SGU.
I'm going to have to disagree. The only people who may choose SGU as their first choice are probably foreign; as in foreign to the US. Every single Canadian or US student I know tried their hardest to get into the N. American schools first.
1. It's cheaper.
2. There aren't the MANY, many hurdles that have to be dealt with with getting into residency (specialties). Many places won't even let students from non-US schools apply to positions there and even though we all have to take the same board exams, we need far superior scores to be considered for the same spots e.g. I may need a 230 on my Step exams to even be a candidate against a US student who got a 210. I have a friend who was just able to transfer to a US school. He has to repeat his ENTIRE third year. You know what? If I were a US citizen, I would make that decision as well.
3. Some specialties are almost impossible to get e.g. Orthopedics, ENT, Derm, Opthalmology, etc. There are SGU grads who have gotten these but they are few and far between.
4. Whether or not you think that Grenada is the best place in the world, they do not. A few like it. More hate it. Most just tolerate their two years to get to their goal of being a doctor. They'd much rather be at home.
SGU students can hold their own. I rotate with students from Mt Sinai School of Medicine. We can easily match them and in many cases surpass them. I've had several doctors tell me they prefer our students. I've also seen blatant favouritism towards them from other doctors...
Anyway to get back to my point, I will again repeat that in my three years of study at SGU, I don't know anyone (other than Caribbean students or people from other parts of the world such as Africa) who came here by choice. Many tried hard to get into US schools. They were waitlisted or took extra time to do research to enhance their applications. When all else failed, SGU was their fallback plan. Having said that, there are many reasons that people can't get into school. Despite how the students act in public (many of them like idiots) they are far from it. It's not like SGU only gets the dregs who are "too dumb" to get into medical school in the US/Canada. In most cases, they are competitive applicants. Others were just more competitive. Let's say there are 5 job openings and 8 applicants. You're offering the job to them based on their performance on a test. 4 of them got 100, 1 got 98 and the rest got between 90-96. They aren't bad but the others were just a bit better. Those are the students that come to SGU (as a last resort).
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Date: August 07, 2008 at 15:00:49
From: Tambran Balls,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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What does take you, self? You din see who leading the negative charge? The mouth-open-word-jump-out monarch of TS. I hardly take that person seriously. Always negative. Always insulting.
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Date: August 07, 2008 at 11:11:02
From: CaribVa,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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"students that can not get into schools in the U.S."
That is an interesting term. From what I have always heard, that was more about the fact that there are a limited number of spots open in schools in the U.S., and more students want to attend school than there are positions for and less about their MCAT scores and education. Med school is not easy, and no matter where you attend, you have to pass your boards and much much more. Being a M.D. is also not what it used to be, it takes a tremendous investment in time as well as financially and the returns are not quick to come.
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Date: August 07, 2008 at 14:28:57
From: CPD,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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From what I have heard, there is a quota on Med School admittances, and as such, quite a few off-shore med schools began popping up to take advantage of that situation, by satisfying the need of those not making the quota.
Evidently St.George's University School of Medicine was one of them. Their standards were not of the best, to say the least, and their reputations left a lot to be desired.
Somewhere along the line, the powers that be, at SGU, changed their outlook. The began to see the bigger picture, and realised that if they provided a quality education they would survive much longer. They went out and lured the best lecturers that money could buy, and went on to build a quality educational institution, and, as they say, the rest is history.
Today, some of the best lecturers in their respective fields are beating a path to SGU, granted they have the added advantage of living in PARADISE.
SGU was a good idea, implemented for the wrong reason, and turned out to be plum.
As they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Check out the results.
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Date: August 08, 2008 at 01:43:23
From: SGU_Student,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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Testing.
I posted twice here earlier and do not see the messages. Surely it doesn't take that long for the moderator to approve my posts.
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Date: August 08, 2008 at 01:41:23
From: SGU_Student,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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"Today, some of the best lecturers in their respective fields are beating a path to SGU"
That's news to me. Or, it may have been true in the past, but it certainly isn't now. Many of the professors there are absolutely horrible. Some are good and we do get some decent guest lecturers although most of those are only teaching us for a week (they get a paid vacation out of it because they teach 1-2 hours/day for a week).
Unfortunately, over the last several years SGU has lost some of it's best professors i.e. the entire Physiology department has been replaced. The break from St. Vincent, though good for Grenada, caused the loss of several and Pathophysiology (one of the classes taught there) was taken over by the 4th term lecturer of Pathology - one of the most horrible teachers I've ever had the displeasure of "learning" from. I'm not alone in that opinion. So now, he teaches two of the most important classes in the basic sciences portion of medical school and does a piss poor job of it.
There is also a large concern in the student body over the ever-growing class sizes. They are getting out of hand and the education is going to suffer for it. There just aren't adequate resources to go around. Oh well, it's all about the money right?
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Date: August 08, 2008 at 09:06:46
From: CPD,
Subject: Re: Controversy Posed by $100 Million Deal between St. George's University & N.Y. City Hospital Corporation |
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By your posts it would seem that the "powers-that-be" have embarked on a "bottom-line" campaign again.
I guess they have reverted to normal operating procedure. What a pity? The future looked so good. I really hope that "we" are mistaken and that what you have seen is just an anomaly. That institution has provided an opportunity for lots of Grenadians who would not have otherwise been able to accomplish what they did.
Looks like I will have to eat my words now. Just when I thought that they were on the way to higher heights.
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