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817202


Date: April 04, 2012 at 06:58:10
From: Brian,
Subject: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)

URL: Taking a stand – media and politics


That email of last March 12, from General Manager Sandra Clarke, reminded Titus not only had he failed to publish an apology or correction but that he had stated, "there is nothing to apologise for and, therefore, no apology would be written or printed".

In the light of this, Clarke told Titus, "we have no other option but to terminate your services… effective March 30, 2012…"


More at the link above.

So, tell me again how Rawle was dismissed due to "government intimidation"...


B.


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817233


Date: April 04, 2012 at 10:16:23
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>So, tell me again how Rawle was dismissed due to "government intimidation"<<

uuummm Brian who was it that demanded an apology and a retraction again? And who stands to lose if the Government of Grenada demands were not adhered to again? Remember the head is Barbados Advocate with an arm in Grenada, not the Grenada Advocate with an arm in Barbados.

What happened to CCC again when they did not meet the Government's recent demands?


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817267


Date: April 04, 2012 at 13:04:07
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


LOL - I think you're confusing this government with the previous one, which DID take action against the free press when articles were printed that they didn't like ;-).

That CCC thing was a good voop BTW. AFAIK the government does not have a contract with the Advocate, and neither are they negotiating one. Are you taking vooping lessons from CountryMarxist? ;-)


B.


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817289


Date: April 04, 2012 at 15:53:58
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)

URL: partygrenada.com


Who granted the Advocate the license to operate in Grenada?


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817331


Date: April 04, 2012 at 22:48:00
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


>Who granted the Advocate the license to
>operate in Grenada?

Has this government ever shown the inclination to deny a newspaper a license to operate over any articles they've posted?

What about the previous government and its approach to the printed press?

You're vooping all over the place man.


B.


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817341


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:17:52
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>Has this government ever shown the inclination to deny a newspaper a license to operate over any articles they've posted?<<

It has been shown to Radio Stations so who knows Newspapers might be next...as you can see anything is possible with the "brady bunch" these days!


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817367


Date: April 05, 2012 at 08:25:42
From: Townman,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


But they haVE NOT YET LOOKED AT A PICTURE OF A FAKE GEM and granted a licene to anyone to open a public place to Theif.

Nazi-B and Bobby can you two help me with the following.


Someone complained to me about a situation of his Son been fired by the present Government as victimization. Follow the things as it happened.

This young man worked for the Government since leaving school for over twenty three years, I must let you know he has been an active party member of the past administration.

Now Some time last year the Government Auditors found money missing from within the area he worked as one of two persons incharged.

It has been understood he entered an agreement to payback whatever funds missing as he holds himself responsible, not say he is responsible for removing the funds But He was overall responsible for the dept. where the funds were missing from. Money were deducted from his salary until the total missing were accounted for, then at the beginning of this year his contract was not renewed And a letter given to him from the dept.explaining the administration is not confident with him going forward.

Now the Government is been blamed for victimizing him because he is an NNP and thats the only place he worked for Grenada since leaving school. Please Guys whats your take on that, and yes its just as written, as I spoke to the individual myself and he is the one that explained it as it happened.


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817344


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:26:18
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Something is not right in this firing thing with Rawle Titus. If his reporting is/was incorrect, why the NDC government people cannot sue him?

As he refused to make an apology, why they cannot charge him for libel?

This whole thing is just politics. I hope that one day our people will accept freedom of the press.

The ghost of Gairy, Bishop and blaize still haunting Grenadians.


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817348


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:40:32
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>If his reporting is/was incorrect, why the NDC government people cannot sue him?<<

....soon you would find out why :-)


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817350


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:45:53
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Nazi-b, are you the Mr. Benjamin who George Grant warning not to intimidate him, or else he will....


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817352


Date: April 05, 2012 at 01:03:58
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>Nazi-b, are you the Mr. Benjamin who George Grant warning not to intimidate him, or else he will....<<

Well not me as I was not the one who posted the message. I guess he's of the view that I am on the only one with access to NNP's Facebook page :-)

What's interesting though is that the Prime Minister Facebook account was used to post his party messages on his shoutbox and from what I saw no public warning was issued to the Prime Minister or the suspected user of the account. However, as usual my name easy to call so he assumed I made the post and decided to make his public statement which does not bother me because it shows clear bias especially as he removed the Prime Minister's messages and the one posted by the NNP but told the Prime Minister's poster nothing :-)


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817353


Date: April 05, 2012 at 01:15:56
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Nazi-b, the reason why as ask you the question, he told me do not post on his site too.

I think he is getting paranoid like a soldier who will shoot at his shadow.

In addition, some people are doing some Cyberspace mischief too. That is another issue.

We cannot live in Grenada without media freedom. They kanoe that the power of the word is power ful


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817345


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:28:21
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


>why the NDC government people cannot sue him

I take it that is not the modus operandi of this government. You are confusing it with the previous government.


B.


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817349


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:42:42
From: Countryamrxist,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


So you are saying that the government must muzzle press freedom for all journalists and writers who do not support the NDC?

The previous government never go as far as begging media people in the Caribbean to ignore journalists who did not support them.

What is is the NDC have to hide, every day they fighting among themselves and the Grenadian people are aware of the infighting.


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817362


Date: April 05, 2012 at 06:44:39
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


>The previous government never go as far as
>begging media people in the Caribbean to
>ignore journalists who did not support them.

They did go as far as threatening journalists and media people with libel though, and I've been informed by one that CANA was contacted to fire him.


B.


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817407


Date: April 05, 2012 at 13:19:11
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Brian, how can CANA been contacted to fire Rawle Titus, when Rawle also has articles published on Carib Update News.Com?

Are telling that CANA NEWS do not support the views of Hamlet Mark news media too?

This is kind of puzzling to me, because George Worme writes lot of editorial articles that are more misleading the Rawle Titus.

Maybe if you tell me that the Barbados Advocate do not want to rock the boat with the NDC government, so they sacrifice Rawle Titus, I might believe you.


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817437


Date: April 05, 2012 at 16:44:56
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Did I say that CANA was contacted over Rawle Titus?

Some of allyu really need to go back to English Comprehension class, yes.


B.


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817446


Date: April 05, 2012 at 17:22:55
From: onlooker,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


And that man have a college degree - what a thing.

I understood your comment on the first read.


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817343


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:23:35
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


>It has been shown to Radio Stations

ROFL - again you are mixing up this government with the previous one!


B.


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817351


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:57:08
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>ROFL - again you are mixing up this government with the previous one!<<

The previous Government did not call a certain radio station to have Paul Thomas tune "campaign promises" from stop being aired.
The previous Government did not call a certain Radio Station Manager and told her that if she does not get a certain gentleman of her station they would be forced to report that station to the NTRC for content violation.
The previous Government did not call a certain TV Station and tell them under no circumstances Keith Mitchell's Budget rebuttal must be given too much airtime
The previous Government did not have their director of GIS as a News Director at a TV Station saying what would make PM THomas look good and Opposition Leader Dr. Mitchell look bad.
The previous Government did not call a certain Newspaper editor and reminded him that if he continues to publish stories attacking the Government they would see to that they get no ADS...ask Shurland Bullen in Grenville he will tell you more.

I keep telling you Brian lots of media workers are afraid to go public and there's a level of fear, a media worker actually admitted that on You Decide last night too.

Let me tell you this Brian, the Grenada Drag Racing Team will be going to St. Lucia next week for the Annual Regional Drag Wars, I was listed as one of the persons to be contacted should there be any questions. Do you know what a reporter told me yesterday after the question was asked if we are getting support from the Ministry of Sports. When I responded to her and told her that we were not getting any help from the private sector neither the MOS she said to me "Naz you can't say that in the interview because ah go get pressure and next dem people call meh boss asking questions, so leh we leave out that part because wey you is ah NNP is now self dey go call yuh done see what happen to Rawle already ah aint have luck". I told her not to air the interview and I put her on to another member of the team.


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817363


Date: April 05, 2012 at 06:52:56
From: jk,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Nazi-B your withdrawal of your drag racing story is presumptuous at most. What’s wrong with airing the fact that you did not get monetary support from the Ministry of Sport? Minister Simmons big you bigger.(lol) Did you all ask tourism too? Both are intertwined. Did you all present the people with a proposal? There are many reasons why at times one may not and would no get the desired results.
Greece the home of the Olympics may not send a team to this year’s games because things bad there too, very bad. Mind you they have many more potential gold medalists than we have.
You ent get help don’t hide to cast blame on somebody else. People have priorities and so do governments. The UK squeezing everywhere while they trying to keep the city(bankers) happy. They send their only carrier to the scrap yard the next one won’t be ready until the 2020s or so. They want one to invade Argentina tomorrow, America will give them two.
I keep saying we don’t plan that is true. Look at the B/ball court outside Gouyave and the one behind Seamoon Pavilion and that’s another concern. Was any real thought given into constructing those two courts. Who plays on them? Was there any consultation that said build them wherever. Everything like that has to have with it some form of consultation and a feasibility study. It does not have to cost much really. Unlike with Progress Park where we were consulted but ignored and they threw down all the nice big trees. Then plant flowers like Gairy did.
On Seamoon itself I really thought that after Ivan things would have been in place for its restoration as our Cultural Centre. I still see it as a place we can develop for horse racing. That will generate employment. Diego has a very good idea. We need to develop it. As I said before, the general area will develop and prosper. We lost twice or trice when Ivan struck when we did not rebuild Seamoon
Ask the people in charge of horse racing in Trinidad and Barbados about the possibilities of reviving Horse Racing here. It will like the drag racing bring in visitors, money and development.


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817354


Date: April 05, 2012 at 01:19:59
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


OH! So they censor Paul Thomas song, Campaign Promise?

Wah!


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817229


Date: April 04, 2012 at 10:01:18
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Who pressured Ms. Clarke?


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817259


Date: April 04, 2012 at 12:37:20
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


>Who pressured Ms. Clarke?

No-one as far as I know. Did the government representative threaten any punitive actions directly or indirectly if the article was not withdrawn?


B.


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817266


Date: April 04, 2012 at 13:03:48
From: Bobby's,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Brian I would have agreed with you on this issue if only one piece of correspondence was sent to them. Now I
Lets look at this objectively
They sent a message to her in Barbados to which they got no response after a certain amount of time the story good gone and over, yet they find the need to send back another email asking for the retraction and apology? Tell me Brian what do you think would have been the governments next step had the newspaper say to them that they standing mpby their reporter?

You see if one was to believe that they were only putting their concerns out there for out there sake then I really don't see the need for the follow up letter over a week after the first?


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817368


Date: April 05, 2012 at 08:27:31
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Thank you Bobby


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817283


Date: April 04, 2012 at 15:02:40
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


>They sent a message to her in Barbados to
>which they got no response after a certain
>amount of time the story good gone and over,

I believe that's incorrect. They'd requested a retraction, the GM had agreed to same, and when the next edition came out, there was no retraction. Obviously the next step would have been to follow up to find out why.


B.


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Date: April 05, 2012 at 08:30:52
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Do you really believe that only the letters were sent no telephone calls? Don't be naive and blind to the strong-arm workings of governments


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817300


Date: April 04, 2012 at 16:58:42
From: Bobby's,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Brian I am now convinced you are a democrat after all no matter how much you try to pretend to be a repub you are definetly a student of bill Clinton's deflect classes.


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817333


Date: April 04, 2012 at 22:54:53
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


LOL - No, I actually read and interpret what I read, rather making up things as I go along ;-).

You on the other hand are the classic opportunist (which in turn IMO explains your choice of political party). I like how you decided to no longer "back" Rawle after backing him, LOL - the same reporter you castigated for publishing an erroneous article a few years ago. It's very clear that your "backing", and subsequent withdrawal of that "backing", had absolutely nothing to do with any principles at all ;-).


B.


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817441


Date: April 05, 2012 at 16:52:08
From: Bobby's,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Give me evidence to back up what you are saying? I lashed rawl real hard on many issues in the past including that article some yrs ago, I have also praised him as relates to sports in Grenada. Now when he called our programme and gave his side I made it very clear that I stand behind him in the decision he was intending to take because to me it was the correct thing to do. However when he changed his mind I also changed my stance as I think anyone is entitled to do?
I think if anything I am clearly showing my stance is not a BLIND ONE like yours whereby I back them no matter if they doing wrong or not.
You have basically refused to see any wrong doing in anything this government is doing. Just because you can stand KM

But doh worry hopefully one day soon you will at least realize this government is breaking records when it comes to the worst government in the history of Grenada.


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817475


Date: April 06, 2012 at 03:21:57
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>You have basically refused to see any wrong doing in anything this government is doing. Just because you can stand KM<<

Reminds you of that baldhead guy in Miami right :-)


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817444


Date: April 05, 2012 at 17:13:20
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


>However when he changed his mind I also
>changed my stance as I think anyone is
>entitled to do?

The sad thing here is that you actually believe that people would believe you when you say that ;-).


B.


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817463


Date: April 05, 2012 at 22:15:26
From: Bobby's,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Well Brian please enlighten me as what is their not to believe? Unlike you rawl can testify to the fact that I have in the past bashed him hard. We will also say I do talk good about his sports knowledge and coverage. I believe his version of what occurred to him I just don't agree with the decision he took not to present the letter.

You on the other hand just glad he didn't present it purely do to your political biasness which many people on here have come to realize you are no longer the objective person that you once was,


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817489


Date: April 06, 2012 at 08:38:04
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


I'll put it to you simply - it's very obvious that your support for Rawle was based not in him losing his job over sticking to his principles, but presenting some letter to the PM, because you saw and were more focused on the opportunity that presented itself to bring a bit more negative publicity to the NDC's leadership. It's very clear that your support for Rawle had nothing to do with him standing for any principles, otherwise you would have shown more concern over him losing his job over sticking up for them, which will have a much greater impact on his livelihood. By definition, you are a classic opportunist. This is not the first time you have exhibited such behaviour, and it likely won't be the last - but perhaps it's time to stop fooling yourself into believing that people believe you when you make protests to the contrary.

From my view, I really couldn't care less whether or not he presented a letter to the PM. I don't think it would have made the "statement" he thought it might have made. His losing his job over the matter is significantly more important, particularly at this time when jobs are very scarce. Hopefully another opportunity presents itself.


B.


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817220


Date: April 04, 2012 at 08:53:24
From: say something ,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


It was only when Richard Simon raised the ants nest about the story and the need for an apology - that the whole drama began.

The Government felt insulted about the story and needed a backtrack.

The issue here is..... "whether the story is true or not"!


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817214


Date: April 04, 2012 at 08:26:33
From: Question,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


So, tell me again, how Rawle was dismissed due to "government intimidation,"<<

You tell me.
Bobby already exposed the narrow ambition of this guy.

At the same time, Tilly and them used him in the same manner against against NNP in last election, so they should know how to deal with wild accusations.

Could you imagine Tilly being castigated a dictator? How low would people go in their effort to hoodwink others?


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817215


Date: April 04, 2012 at 08:39:51
From: Wade,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Question just ask some of the members of tilly's cabinet and they will tell you a didctator is emerging.


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817268


Date: April 04, 2012 at 13:06:22
From: Question,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


The people in Tilly's cabinet making such declarations don't know how to follow, so they are cying sour grapes.


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817212


Date: April 04, 2012 at 08:22:28
From: subform,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


Just to jook thing.... "Earlier, I had asked PM Thomas' press secretary, Richard Simon, whether the Grenada government felt it had any blame to accept in the dismissal of Titus. He said no, and added that an apology or retraction was only demanded because of "the inaccuracies" in the article"

Note DEMANDED ..... lol


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817244


Date: April 04, 2012 at 11:18:05
From: My home Grenada,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


So if there is an inaccurate article about you in the press, will you not demand a retraction? Or are you one of those who will say nothing and mislead the public?


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817224


Date: April 04, 2012 at 09:36:30
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


...at the end of the day all they wanted was an apology whether demanded, seeked, asked, beg whatever. I tried to tell your brother that but for some strange reason he missed that point and tried to tell me "next time you're by your bank, tell them you're seeking a loan. Tell me what response you get. Then go by another bank and DEMAND a loan. Tell me if the response remains the same ;-)."

My response to that was "...at the end of the day Brian a loan is needed :-)"


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817273


Date: April 04, 2012 at 13:25:00
From: Ice-Man,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


This is a non-issue, issue. Open and close.

“Quote: General Manager Sandra Clarke, reminded Titus not only had he failed to publish an apology or correction but that he had stated, "there is nothing to apologize for and, therefore, no apology would be written or printed... “

This nigguh get's the opportunity to clean out his locker because of insubordination. In fact I will grab his ID and walk his ass right away. Allu too emotionally attached to a job. He doesn’t own that. Let it go playa... Move on!


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817258


Date: April 04, 2012 at 12:35:49
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


>My response to that was "...at the end of the
>day Brian a loan is needed :-)"

And my response to that is that at the end of the day, only one of those actions would actually lead to a loan being obtained. The other would likely end with you being escorted by security out of the bank ;-).


B.


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817340


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:15:09
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


I find you, Tillman Thomas and the entire cabinet guilty of perpetuated a massive fraud on the people of Grenada.
How say you the Jury read to the following charges?
One the first charge, Of promising not to send the IMAnis home then turning around and doing same. GUILTY

ON the second charge of promising to raise the allowance to the poor and not doing same? Guilty

On the charge of running after CCC because of Nelson Louison then begging them to come back, at the time 300 workers sent home? Guilty

On the charge of not providing any stimulus to the economy and attempting to include temporary grass cutters and employment created? Guilty

On the charge of the Prime Minister having nothing to do that he can find time to tie his goats everyday? Guilty

On the charge of going down in history as having the most cabinet reshuffles in history? Guilty

On the charge of having the most non elected Ministers, Guilty

On the charge of Getting Rawle Titus Fired? guilty

On the charge of deceiving the Grenadian people that life would be better under the NDC. Guilty

On the charge of promising free school books up to now i still have to by books for my kids, Guilty


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817209


Date: April 04, 2012 at 07:54:46
From: Fat-Cat,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (AS USUAL!)


I am not surprised at you B. Your government has so mastered the art of ineptitude that yet another non-issue has again become a major talking point across the country and region. The essence of the article was, as Loyd Noel so correctly pointed out in his column not anything to cause alarm or to demand an apology having gone to the extreme of one involved loosing their livelihood. Then again the NDC has perfected the art of growing the rate of unemployment and leaving the average Grenadian to suffer. Whether Simmons was at one of the meetings and not at the other or briefly passed in another is a NON-ISSUE. Please don't try and make it out to be one. Continue to live in denial. The day of the awakening is one day nearer than it was yesterday.


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817204


Date: April 04, 2012 at 07:25:34
From: All sides,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Read this is part of a column written by Lloyd Noel before believing foreigners:

Rawle was a senior reporter at the Grenada Advocate, which is owned by the Barbados Advocate. And MWAG is claiming that pressure from the Prime Minister’s Office over an article that was written by Rawle about the prime minister making fresh moves within the NDC, but excluding senior members of the party, resulted in his dismissal.

The MWAG complaint referred to letters written by the prime minister’s press secretary, requesting that the said article by Rawle Titus be revoked, and an appropriate apology tendered for the publication of the story.

The complaint claimed that the Prime Minister’s Office “pressured the Advocate owners” into dismissing Titus, because of the news item that was published on March 9 in the Grenada Advocate.

I fail to see what was so damaging about that story, because it is very common knowledge that the ruling NDC party is openly divided into at least three opposing factions. And on the very day the article appeared in the Advocate, and the finance minister delivered his 2012 Budget Estimates in Parliament, three or four NDC MPs openly criticised the document, and lambasted the government for its poor performance over the past three years; and four MPs abstained from voting in favour of the Budget.

So how much more division is needed to prove that the NDC is divided down the middle?

But against that background, the claim by MWAG that it was pressure from the prime minister or his office that caused the head office to dismiss Rawle Titus from the Grenada Advocate leaves me in some doubts.

What is more disturbing, and out of character for the prime minister, as I have known him for a whole lot of years in the struggle for freedom of one kind or another, is why would the prime minister bring such pressure to get Rawle dismissed, when all he had written was well known to Grenadians generally and widely publicized?

And who better qualified to uphold press freedom than “Tillman Thomas the Detainee”?

In June 1981, Tillman Thomas, along with Leslie Pierre and myself, and 23 others, formed a team of shareholders and registered a company, as the people’s law provided, to be able to produce a newspaper named “The Grenadian Voice”.

We spent two years, three months and fifteen days in detention, in the struggle for press freedom, and freedom of the people.

I find it hard to believe that the said Tillman Thomas – although he is now in the driving seat as the leader of the pack and prime minister – would have forgotten that experience, and engaged in action that denies freedom of the press to the extent of making a journalist lose his job.

But the vibes I am getting from very reliable sources seem to support the position that action was indeed taken to influence the bosses in Barbados.

What is not very clear is whether the same was by the prime minister personally, or by one of his subordinates on his behalf. In either case, however, if such action was taken to produce the shocking result, I must say that I am very disappointed in the prime minister and his team, in the given circumstances surrounding this matter.

http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/topstory-Commentary%3A-Law-and-Politics%3A-Is-it-a-challenge-to-press-freedom%3F-10403.html


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817211


Date: April 04, 2012 at 08:00:24
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>Read this is part of a column written by
>Lloyd Noel before believing foreigners:

That is an opinion piece, containing little if any facts about the case.

The article I referred to quotes from messages between the General Manager of the paper and Rawle Titus that strongly and definitively indicate that he was released because he chose not to follow the instructions that were issued to him. Seems clear to me that the GM was not prepared to stand by the contents of the article, otherwise such an instruction would not have been issued, and because Rawle chose not to follow instructions, there was no other option open to the GM but to release him from employment. Tell me - if you managed a business, and an employee of yours deliberately chose not to follow your instructions, and by his actions was putting the business at risk, would you continue to employ him?


B.


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817308


Date: April 04, 2012 at 18:23:19
From: jk,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Ah wonder if Harmless Hamlet was only surmising when he put he slate pencil to the people chalkboard.


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817307


Date: April 04, 2012 at 17:59:06
From: jk,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


B I thought you would have mentioned the word insubordination which is what it is in Mr. Titus's case. Since as we saying here he failed to follow instructions from the GM.


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817248


Date: April 04, 2012 at 11:46:58
From: Socrates,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>>The article I referred to quotes from messages between the General Manager of the paper and Rawle Titus that strongly and definitively indicate that he was released because he chose not to follow the instructions that were issued to him. Seems clear to me that the GM was not prepared to stand by the contents of the article..>>

Brian, I agree with you. It seems to meet that some people are too quick to cry lack of press freedom when this could easily be a violation of the newspaper’s policy. The Prime Minister could cry fouls, but he does not have the authority to fire anyone from the news paper. As a matter of fact, all politicians always cry foul when anything negative is written about them but news outlet are not in the habit of firing reporters on account of those cries.

I am no NDC supported but I think some people are making blaming the PM so they can score political points.


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817280


Date: April 04, 2012 at 14:14:58
From: Townman,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Hello, Hello, Soca Teease.

Don, Icall that man and the man no answering, Wait let me try one more time


SOKA TEASE,PaPa Don, Wrong person, He just using the man Name and showing support for the NDC, something have to be wrong or the man well drunk from bay leaf tea.


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817284


Date: April 04, 2012 at 15:07:51
From: Socrates,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>>SOKA TEASE,PaPa Don, Wrong person, He just using the man Name and showing support for the NDC, something have to be wrong or the man well drunk from bay leaf tea.<,

Townman,

I am not supporting NDC. However fair is fair. I can't blame NDC for every cock fight that happens in Grenada. It seems that the PM is under attack from the NNP and the left wing of the NDC.


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817301


Date: April 04, 2012 at 17:18:45
From: Townman,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Don Soka Tease almost make me cough to death, A few weeks the flu had me abit under,and I survived but like they send this man for me.

Don the man said he was at the pm's defense because them leftist is on the attack , all now am still holding me belly laughing.


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817230


Date: April 04, 2012 at 10:05:57
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


There is something call principle and ethics, your boss asking you to follow a direction in issuing an apology for something you know is true, that's selling your soul. i would never listen to my boss if he asked me to sell my soul.


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817294


Date: April 04, 2012 at 16:28:47
From: vox,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Then he should have tendered his resignation or at least offer to do so . That is the ethics he need to follow, and the employer does not have to offer that option


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817260


Date: April 04, 2012 at 12:39:01
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>i would never listen to my boss if he asked
>me to sell my soul.

If you consider withdrawing an article that your management does not support and is likely inaccurate as "selling your soul", you will likely end up with the same conclusion as what happened in Rawle's case.


B.


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817338


Date: April 04, 2012 at 23:58:04
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


This is the problem with this board people just writing anything. I said if you ask me to withdraw an article that i know is true, on the basis that some politician putting pressure on you then i would not. Rawle has his family to feed, so he figured if they fired him then he get all his money, his decision not to resign may have been on the basis that he knew his story was correct. The entire Grenada knows the story is accurate


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817240


Date: April 04, 2012 at 11:04:59
From: say something ,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Correct is right!


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817222


Date: April 04, 2012 at 09:31:36
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>>Tell me - if you managed a business, and an employee of yours deliberately chose not to follow your instructions, and by his actions was putting the business at risk, would you continue to employ him?<<

What risk? Brian, the Minister of everything confirmed Rawle's story in his interview both with your brother Bobby last week Tuesday night live on Radio and with Andre Donald on Wednesday morning. As a matter of fact he refused to answer some questions relating to Rawle's story which would probably explain why he pulled away the Prime Minister from the media because he was probably afraid that the Prime Minister would do like him and contradict himself given more credibility to Rawle's story.

You know what's funny about all this, I spoke to two NDC Ministers and they both said that Rawle story is factual. In anyways I'm glad this happened because it is showing now that the talk of political interference was not only coming from me, but it's also coming from the horses mouth themselves :-)

I'll say this much, there's an audio recording of every meeting held so far and I get the funny feeling that the Grenada Advocate will regret they ever fired Rawle, time will tell :-)


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817257


Date: April 04, 2012 at 12:34:19
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>What risk?

Excellent question. We all know that practices that the last government undertook against the press. However this government has not done anything of the sort so far. I wonder what would have happened if the GM refused to retract the story. Do you think we would we be faced with another case of antiquated libel laws being used to force the closure of a newspaper?


B.


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817291


Date: April 04, 2012 at 16:00:31
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>Do you think we would we be faced with another case of antiquated libel laws being used to force the closure of a newspaper?<<

Find a way to revoke the operating license, they are capable of doing it. The same way CRFM and SACFM was threatened, is the same way advocate could have been threatened.

B. forget what the previous Government did we are dealing with present day and as the media themselves admitted this is the worst set of political interference something which you've been failing to accept since I began mentioning it here.


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817218


Date: April 04, 2012 at 08:52:52
From: Fat-Cat,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Who triggered the instruction?

Did the headquarters in Barbados do any investigation into the story to determine whether or not the incident warranted an apology or retraction?


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817255


Date: April 04, 2012 at 12:26:05
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>Who triggered the instruction?

Doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned. What if a private individual had made the same request and the General Manager agreed and Rawle responded the same way? Do you expect that the GM would have reacted differently? IMO this is an internal disciplinary issue, not a case of government intimidation.

The thing is, one only needs to look into our history to see what government intimidation REALLY looks like, e.g. the jailing of Leslie Pierre, the closing of the Torchlight newspaper, the use of antiquated libel laws to force the closure of a major local newspaper and this forum, and the threatening gestures made to our reporters by our leaders (e.g. wagging fingers at them and saying "you're next!").

Tell me - has our current government used any of those tactics yet against our press?

Having said that however, if I was in Richard Simon's shoes, I would not have given the anklebiters and sh*tstirrers more fodder too play with by requesting or demanding the retraction of a published article. We should all know by now that indulging in half-truths and innuendos is par for the course for those characters and they would quickly take the opportunity to turn that into a case of "government intimidation". Instead, I would have simply issued a public notice for printing in the next edition, outlining the inaccuracies in the article and any source of confirmation for the facts.


>Did the headquarters in Barbados do any
>investigation into the story to determine
>whether or not the incident warranted an
>apology or retraction?

Why don't you call them and ask? From what's happened so far though, it's pretty clear that either they did not want to stand by what was written in the article and agreed that it should be retracted.


B.


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817339


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:03:41
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


This is the Prime Ministers office calling a foreign company asking for a retraction, don't you think that this would put pressure on the business owner to act.

We must not look at it from the perspective of Rawle Titus, but form the What if it was me scenario. My question to you, if you wrote the article Rawle wrote knowing and convinced in your heart that the story was true, you checked out all your angles, found it to be true and your employer ask you to apologize, would you put your tale between your legs and apologize?


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817342


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:22:11
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


If I was the editor and I knew a story to be true, I would convince the owners of the papers of this. If I couldn't, and they insisted I retracted the story, I would resign and go work with a paper that had the balls to back up its editors and reporters.

But this is a case of "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride". The story has NOT been shown to be factual - there are several questions about its accuracy, and Rawle was apparently unable to convince the GM otherwise, to the point that she would stand behind the story.


B.


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817346


Date: April 05, 2012 at 00:35:48
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Brian, the whole issue about this thing has nothing to do with who is right or wrong. The issue is all about both side playing politics.

If Mr Titus wrote wrong information, how come they cannot sue him?


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817370


Date: April 05, 2012 at 08:37:05
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


aMEN MY BROTHER HOW COME THEY CANNOT SUE OR DEMAND A RETRACTION FROM RAWLE TITUS WHO UP TO THIS DAY HAS NOT ISSUED ANY APOLOGY OR RETRACTION OF THE STORY. A DICTATOR IS EMERGING


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817361


Date: April 05, 2012 at 06:40:59
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>If Mr Titus wrote wrong information, how come
>they cannot sue him?

Who said that they cannot? Do you know enough about law and criminal or civil libel to draw such a conclusion?

Stop the vooping man. And learn the difference between "can" and "should".


B.


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817373


Date: April 05, 2012 at 09:08:03
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Your argumement is weak. Oral or written false statements that injure a persons reputation are called defamation. Oral deffamation is call slander, whereas written defamation is called libel. To sue for either slander or libel the person must prove that false or untrue statements were published, that is communicated to are least one other person. The question still is how come they cannot sue Rawle, he has never apologise for the story?


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817375


Date: April 05, 2012 at 09:20:45
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>The question still is how come they cannot
>sue Rawle

Who are you to make that determination? Are you a lawyer by trade?

If not, IMO, you are talking out of your arse.

Our current government has not engaged in libel suits against any publications. For example, the Campbell publication of Burke's "offshore accounts" would have been an excellent subject for a libel case, however no action was taken.


B.


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817396


Date: April 05, 2012 at 11:40:01
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>For example, the Campbell publication of Burke's "offshore accounts" would have been an excellent subject for a libel case, however no action was taken.<<

It was published by the Minister of Finance so how could it have been an excellent subject for a libel case? The files are on his site to this day and the media have copies of it which they received directly from the Minister himself.


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817399


Date: April 05, 2012 at 12:02:31
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Under what context was the documents provided by Minister Burke?

I belive that is the differentiating factor, Nazim. Libel covers not only the publication of false information, but the INTENT behind the publication of that information.

So, do you really believe that Alan posted that information about Burke's "offshore accounts" to his site to show they were phony?


B.


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817473


Date: April 06, 2012 at 01:35:50
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>So, do you really believe that Alan posted that information about Burke's "offshore accounts" to his site to show they were phony?<<

Nope, he was showing what Burke distributed. Good thing he did because it showed up the questionable e-mails supposedly sent to the Banks on the documents which raised the eyebrows of one Robert Gouvares, but his interview will be played when the time is right :-)

I'll tell you one question he asked and that was why did the FIU in Grenada contact his Bank directly and not the FIU in his country first?


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817493


Date: April 06, 2012 at 08:46:09
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>Nope, he was showing what Burke distributed.

ROFLOL. Yeah, that's why he did it ;-).


B.


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817391


Date: April 05, 2012 at 11:07:39
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Conversation is over with you. the sign of a defeated man are personal insults your statement " you are talking out your arse" is a no no. however, i must ad there is nothing more frightening than ignorance in action.


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817394


Date: April 05, 2012 at 11:21:04
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


It wasn't an insult, it was a statement. I'm betting you're playing TalkShop lawyer making judgments about who can and cannot sue without having any sort of accreditation, training, knowledge or even experience to back it up. Ergo, you are talking out of your arse.


B.


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817292


Date: April 04, 2012 at 16:05:42
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>it's pretty clear that either they did not want to stand by what was written in the article and agreed that it should be retracted<<

Could it be because of phone calls received other than an e-mails? Time will soon tell why they never bothered to investigate, time will tell :-) They say Grenada small, well the Caribbean even smaller.....I say no more


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817275


Date: April 04, 2012 at 13:36:52
From: Ice-Man,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


""""""""" From what's happened so far though, it's pretty clear that either they did not want to stand by what was written in the article and agreed that it should be retracted.""""""""""

I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that.


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817235


Date: April 04, 2012 at 10:32:48
From: DON,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


>>Did the headquarters in Barbados do any investigation into the story to determine whether or not the incident warranted an apology or retraction? <<,

lol...

six runs


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817245


Date: April 04, 2012 at 11:32:07
From: My home Grenada,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Not six runs but caught inside the boundary. The folks in Barbados were satisfied that the story was inaccurate.

Rawle admitted he did not write the story; he apparently had confidence in his writer who obviously was not at the meeting.

1. Was Simmons at the meeting or not? He was not. There are numerous persons who were in St. Andrew's with him at all times and he did not even pass for a little while. - Inaccuracy # 1.

2. Was a slate named by the political leader? No; of the over 100 persons in attendance, none has or can step forward and say that a slate was presented. All of those spoken to deny that a slate was presented. - Inaccuracy # 2.

Rawle must get more reliable sources next time. Regardless of the division in NDC, the story remains inaccurate in its principal points and therefore should have been retracted.


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817246


Date: April 04, 2012 at 11:36:34
From: Nazi-b,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)

URL: partygrenada.com


>>1. Was Simmons at the meeting or not? He was not. There are numerous persons who were in St. Andrew's with him at all times and he did not even pass for a little while. - Inaccuracy # 1.<<

But your Minister of Information last week Tuesday Night on Weefm said he was.....I did not hear his full interview so I cannot comment on #2


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817251


Date: April 04, 2012 at 12:00:40
From: My home Grenada,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Speak with Simmons, the Sisters at SJC Grenville and the folks at the cook in LaPotrie. It is quite easy to verify.

Was Glen speaking about the meeting in Mt. St. Ervans or in PAM? Simmons said he was at the former and not at PAM which is the meeting the Advocate reported on (I heard a journalist ask Titus if it was written by Hamlet Mark) and which was riddled with inaccuracies.


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817254


Date: April 04, 2012 at 12:19:07
From: Bobby's,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


I am afraid rawl let himself and his fellow colleagues down big time when he did not present his hand written letter to the prime minister.

I no longer can say he has my support in this issue.

I am waiting to see where rawl ends up working or his compensation package should I say for sacrificing on what he claimed was a principle stand?


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817231


Date: April 04, 2012 at 10:07:45
From: LASER,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


Thank you Fatcat, point of the day


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817305


Date: April 04, 2012 at 17:45:29
From: jk,
Subject: Re: Looks like we were only getting part of the story (NOT SO FAST)


That is a "bald point". When I see Town Man I will tell him why.


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