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831577


Date: July 19, 2012 at 00:01:39
From: Brian,
Subject: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


The question of course is, why didn't he free all of them at the same time? Was he really interested in securing freedom for the slaves, or was this freeing of a specific few more for personal reasons rather than anything else?


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832197


Date: July 22, 2012 at 23:09:30
From: Corporal Naught,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


B!

CT presented a very valid explanation below as to why Fedon freed some "slaves". CT's argument can be surmised as - he did so for internal family and personal reasons.

I would on the other hand take another view by arguing that Fedon was sowing the seed for the rebellion.

In other words, among the pre-conditions cited as being conductive to the revolution - are social tensions born of conflict over status and authority.

In my view, Fedon freed the slaves (side note- many of them can pass as white and did pass off as white) because doing so he was capable of uniting this dissident and oppress element against the white British rule when the time came.

P.S.: Which he actually accomplished when the revolution broke out.





CNaught.


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831877


Date: July 21, 2012 at 04:06:48
From: CT,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...





Note the word "Cabrese";it unlocks the meaning of this manumission document.

Mary Jeanne is a "cabrese" woman. She is given her freedom. Her children Francois , Louis Edward and Rose, are also freed.

What is a Cabrese?


In French and Grenadian French (Patois) a cabrese is a "red person",a person who is
the bearer of "white blood"


The word cabrese is derived from the French "cabra" ( goat).

Think Capricorn... born under the sign of the goat.

The word (Cabrese) suggests flightiness, wildness... Think of the English word-"caprice". The word conveys the flightiness that is attributed to the so-called "dougla".

Conclusion.

The author of this document is freeing his woman and the children she fathered by the author,Monsieur Julien Fedon.


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831923


Date: July 21, 2012 at 10:17:05
From: Train,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...

URL: CHILDREN OF UNCERTAIN FORTUNE:MIXED-RACE MIGRATION


That's good to know. That expains it all then.

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There is this dissertation online (univ of mich) published last year that's really good. Some interesting stuff on this matter.

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>>>>Pierre McCallum emphasized the importance of finding a lover of color in Trinidad: “On the arrival of the European, his first object is, to look out for a mistress, either of the black, yellow, or livid kind.” “As for the native creole,” McCallum continued, “a female companion is provided for him from among the slaves of the family, at an early age, to prevent his going astray to increase the stock of his neighbours.”34 McCallum’s account indicates the ubiquity of West Indian miscegenation, its role as a measure of status, and its sanction by all members of society, including relatives. Not only did family members support such behavior, but they promoted it within a plantation endogamy to increase further slave holdings – albeit enslaved kin. Such descriptions reveal a West Indian system perfectly at ease with interracial pairings, if not encouraging of them. This sexual tolerance dramatically grew the islands’ population of color.<<<

>>> Considerations of the mixed-race women themselves confirm the social dependency of these associations. There was something of a symbiotic relationship between white men and women of color. If white men gained a certain level of status with a mistress, then women of color could benefit socially and materially by white partners. Effective agents of their own advancement, women of color used white benefactors to obtain manumissions, gifts, and inheritances.35 One Grenadian resident complained that “they seek no higher destination than to become the W[hore] of a White Profligate, Whose situation & means will make him to support them.<<<<<<<<

>>>>>Interracial unions were as much a response to Caribbean social realities for black and brown women as they were for white men. They dominated, and in turn stabilized, a West Indian society that could not properly reconcile racial apartheid with its demographic imbalance.<<<<<

The above is fighting words for a lot of Talkshopers (Countrymaxist)!! LOL! I don’t know if I believe the above. I say so when this is compared to almost the same thing happening in the South in the USA and having different results. The vastness of resources in the USA could have a determining factor.
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831970


Date: July 21, 2012 at 17:36:43
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


Train, we were educated since in Kinder-garden to hate our black skin and to glorify light skin. For example our teachers used to make us sing, Brown Gal In Ah Ring. Why they never ever said Black Gal Ah Ring?


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Date: July 22, 2012 at 12:26:34
From: Train,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


I remember that song. LOL!

Do you know what our word "ka-way" means?

As I remember it, it was when a girl or woman in the days when they wore long dresses down to their ankle were quarreling, they would hold on to their dress and after cussing their opponent, would swing around and ind of raise their dress a bit and fling it around and wait for the opponent to reply! LOL! Do I have that right?


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Date: July 22, 2012 at 17:43:45
From: CT,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...







Ka-way is the Grenadian form of the
French CARRE(an accent acute on the e)
and pronounced "Kahray".

The French CARRE means "square".

Therefore, to "Kaway" is to square up, to pose.

The word kaway is used to describe various poses in the art of stick-fighting.



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Date: July 22, 2012 at 20:59:32
From: Train,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


Ah! That explains it. Close. Thanks CT.


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Date: July 22, 2012 at 12:47:11
From: Aim,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


Train :),

Since I was a child I had it fixed in my mind that "kawaying" was walking with a sway or maybe an exaggarated sway; in other words great working of the waist and hips hence the words of the song "If you see Monica kaway?" Maybe someone else can shed light but I feel that is what it means. BTW, this was usually done by women!


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Date: July 22, 2012 at 21:05:10
From: Train,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


;-) Aim, that must be more like it. Somewhere between what you and CT explained fits what I am trying to describe. I remember way back in primary school back home when the girls would get into a cuss fight they would hold the tip of their skirt and do a kind of flip and walk as they had the last word! LOL! They would actually hold their skirt at the bottom and raised a bit, and flip and do a spin as they had the last word! I think we called that Karway in my part of the woods, but it has been so long I might be thinking about something else! :-)


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831919


Date: July 21, 2012 at 10:02:21
From: Jfedon,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


Thanks brother CT
Jfedon~onelove


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Date: July 21, 2012 at 10:02:13
From: Jfedon,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


Thanks brother CT
Jfedon~onelove


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Date: July 19, 2012 at 22:05:58
From: Train,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


B., whey you get this fram? do you have the page where his name is signed? Was it signed with his name or an 'X'? That is important to know. It will give us a little hint into his formal education. I would like to see that part of this copy....if you have it.

Freeing slaves in that time required a payment to the island treasury. Maybe Fedon did not have the money to pay the fee to free all his slaves. Do you know home many slaves he owned?


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831641


Date: July 19, 2012 at 15:15:20
From: Judy,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


Where is the link Brian, could you pls post it?.

Thanks


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831621


Date: July 19, 2012 at 12:06:44
From: Gouyaveman,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


B,

It is not hard to imagine that the engagement in divestiture, even back in 1791 and as practiced by Fedon would require a gradual shift, taking all prudent/precautionary measures to ensure that one does not become victim to one’s economic survival because of one’s belief.

Fast-forward to the pre-Emancipation Proclamation of 1862 and you would notice that President Lincoln too had understood that practice of “Economic Conservatism/survival” which had allowed for the preservation of his economic interest first! over that of his belief and so, took the necessary precaution of a gradual approach to appease the South.
This however is a stark contract to subsequent contemporary revolutionaries who seem to take a more stringent approach to change thus shortening the time period but with a bloodier outcome.

Maybe it is that approach Nelson Mandela understood as he went on to take the reign of power in South Africa which, by the way, continues to be contentious to this day. But the alternative could have been nastier.

I am reminded here of the axiom “cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face” and maybe Fedon as with Lincoln and Nelson were reminded of that also, while Castro continued to remain……”disfigured”?

Yet, as History would attest and with the aid of hindsight, no one could separate the outcome from these individuals because their efforts have been well documented as being the pioneer of the freedom we enjoy today.

Gouyaveman


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831591


Date: July 19, 2012 at 06:54:38
From: Stryker,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


One would think that it would be a process. You can't make a one day transition. It does show his intent though.
Too, people can see whatever they want to out of any given circumstance. Kind of reminds me of this quotation, “Between the optimist and the pessimist, the difference is droll. The optimist sees the doughnut; the pessimist the hole!”.


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831585


Date: July 19, 2012 at 03:51:21
From: Soca pressure,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


Legend said he was never found I wonder what happened to his body Grenada was always a peculiar and sinister island with sinister happening lol Grenada too small for that?


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Date: July 19, 2012 at 03:43:13
From: Soca pressure,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


He was French when you have French in you you are very rebellious whether you are black or white. Never trust a Frenchman black or white. They are rebellious by nature and born rebels. They could be talking about dinner while thinking of supper. I


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Date: July 19, 2012 at 04:25:51
From: Shelly,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


** He was French when you have French in you you are very rebellious whether you are black or white. Never trust a Frenchman black or white. They are rebellious by nature and born rebels. They could be talking about dinner while thinking of supper. I
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Some people really write some racist crap on this site. This is as bad as saying that every black man is a mugger or rapist. Because it's in their nature. Unbelievable.

Shez


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Date: July 19, 2012 at 14:33:13
From: Soca pressure,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


Why you have to bring in racism ? nobody here spoke about racism except you look in the dictionary and you will see there is no connection with the word rebellion and racism. It really have some wicked minded people here Shelley shame on you. When somebody is racist will you really recognise THAT person? I guess not. This person will play smart but not be clever

Too late shall be your cry. Get your facts right don't get it twisted. I am french I should know


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Date: July 19, 2012 at 23:22:02
From: Historian,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


"I am french I should know"

You're not French; you're crazy.


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Date: July 20, 2012 at 01:47:38
From: Soca pressure,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


You sound like the crazy one. You not my parents or grand parents period. You do not know my history and what blood runs on my veins. What kind of historian are you. Mind your history not mines. I am way to complicated for you to challenge if we go to court who will win. Me of course now go figure


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Date: July 19, 2012 at 09:50:38
From: Jahbash,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


I cannot see the connection here, in placing everyone under the same umbrella. He spoke of the French, by nature. They, meaning not everyone, is rebellious by nature. My Doctor's receptionist is French. Ask her, if you come close to her, and hear what she'll have to say about her people.

Rebellion is like a traditional thing for the French.


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Date: July 19, 2012 at 01:38:59
From: Calypso,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


Brian, the freeing of slaves interfered with the master's economy. (Julien the mixed-race slave-ower)Fedon's livelihood would have been affected. Usually the slaves were the ones to buy their own freedom ( until slavery was officially abandoned). I cannot read the document very well. If I knew the relationship between Fedon and his slaves, furthermore, the politics in Grenada at that time, I could make a better judgement.


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Date: July 20, 2012 at 09:46:11
From: born in grenada,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


calypso sombody must kill your lying Jamaician ass but I do not want your stinking jamaician blood on grenadians hands so it definitely will not be a Grenadian or anybody I know it will be your own family.
Go away satan we do not want no more favours from you


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Date: July 19, 2012 at 14:51:04
From: Soca pressure,
Subject: Re: Julian Fedon frees some slaves...


What happen to this spiteful woman calypso like you getting more insane and fass What is your interest in Grenadians. You come quite here to wit chunt those people can't you see they keep to themselves is something wrong with keeping your self to yourself maybe you should try it.


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