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844883


Date: October 05, 2012 at 20:49:01
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Well it has become very interesting. The parliamentary seat seat for the Town of St. George will be conested by candidates who are parlty Cauasian. Ah now see on CC6 Flow News that Franka Alexis might be the NDC Candidate for the the Town Of st. George.

Allu please tell me why the best choice of candidates for all the major political parties, including Peter David himself and his new party will be contesting for the seat of St. George?

And yet still ah see some of allu trying to tell me race and racism is not a factoer in Grenada social and political sturcture?

All this talk about socialism and capitalism and other ism's, still have the legacy of colonialism.

Maybe in the future, I will try to a tackle that issue in a piece of writing.
ah know someof allu might say ah must not discuss that topic, but I know for sure race and class stilleist in Grenada.

However, a Grenadian must have a bit of Cauasian blood to win the electoral seat in the Town of st. George.


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844998


Date: October 06, 2012 at 11:53:54
From: Recs,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


This cause me to ponder the question -
Who were the elected representatives for the Town of St. George since 1967?
1967 -
1968 -
1972 -
1976 -
1984 - NNP - George McGuire
1990 - NDC - Joan M. Purcell
1995 - NNP - Raphael O. Fletcher
1999 - NNP - Brenda Hood
2003 - NDC - Peter David
2008 - NDC - Peter David

The results above came from Talkshop Election Monitor. I could not find George Brizan's book to source the 1968, 72 and 76 elections, but I believe (from aging memory) that the rep then was Hudson Scipio.

Maybe Country Marxist could use this info for his strange theory and analysis.


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845007


Date: October 06, 2012 at 12:27:30
From: Filbert Steele,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


1972
Constituency: Town of St George
H.R Scipio GNP - 1,208 votes
J.M. Morris Gulp - Winner - 1,229 votes
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1976
B. Coard (the killer) 1,683 votes -winner
R. St John - 1,316 votes GULP
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1967
H.R. Scipio 1,311 votes winner GNP
G.E.D. Clyne 934 votes GULP
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SOURCE: GRENADA ISLAND OF CONFLICT, George Brizan


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845003


Date: October 06, 2012 at 12:16:13
From: Recs,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP? / Source for above post

URL: Click here for source of info


You can find the info of the Town of St. George elected reps 1984 to present at this site (Or click the link above)

http://spiceislandertalkshop.com/cgi-bin/datavote/datavote.cgi?submit=constituency_history&constituency=TOWN OF ST GEORGE


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Date: October 10, 2012 at 01:26:26
From: Westindian,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP? / Source for above post


What a stupid headline is these people from the west indies, maybe from the Caribbean not the west indies or east Indies, get rid of them fools, they sound like Haitians with no English.

Such a pity most of the Caribbean islands are not In the west indies for example Jamaica which may lie in the Caribbean sea but not in the region of the west indies. No wonder
Moderated By: mod@spiceislandertalkshop.com


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845105


Date: October 06, 2012 at 22:50:22
From: Holy spirit,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP? / Source for above post


What a stupid headline is these people from the west indies, maybe from the Caribbean not the west indies or east Indies, get rid of them fools, they sound like Haitians with no English.

Such a pity most of the Caribbean islands are not In the west indies for example Jamaica which may lie in the Caribbean sea but not in the region of the west indies. No wonder


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844902


Date: October 05, 2012 at 21:54:56
From: DON,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Country..

at the very least "we" have to examine the historical record as pertains the elected officials of the town of st georges!

can I see the record ?

and yes the commercial sectors are and or has been controlled by light skinned folks

I have heard that this is changing...

That too has its own history...

we should never be afraid of exploring the national history so as to help unravel and understand the social dynamic


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845004


Date: October 06, 2012 at 12:20:56
From: Recs,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


DON,
See my post above.


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844918


Date: October 05, 2012 at 23:07:38
From: Toro,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


The MPs for the Town of St. George from the 1970s to 2008 have been:
Mr. Morris
Bernard Coard
George McGuire
Joan Purcell
Raphael Fletcher
Brenda Hood
Peter David


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 00:02:17
From: DON,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


I do not know of Mr Morris ?

does he fit the pattern that CM is alluding too ?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 09:18:03
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


DON, don't expect Toro to have a open mind on that topic. He is a journalist promoting his political idol, so he has to act like if he cannot unterstand a lot of important topics for discussion.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 12:22:49
From: Recs,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


CM,
Toro posted the facts, not opinion.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 12:24:49
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Recs, you must be kiding.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 15:38:19
From: Recs,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


>>The MPs for the Town of St. George from the 1970s to 2008 have been:
Mr. Morris
Bernard Coard
George McGuire
Joan Purcell
Raphael Fletcher
Brenda Hood
Peter David<<

These are the facts of wick I speak.
Nothing more.


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844948


Date: October 06, 2012 at 07:50:41
From: jk,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


The only thing about John Morris is that he was a black Bajan.


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844934


Date: October 06, 2012 at 00:18:50
From: Toro,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Only CM could answer if Mr Morris fits the pattern.

He was a Bajan and one of the best-known school principals in St. George's. He wasn't caucasian. But dunno if he fits CM's definition of full African.


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844961


Date: October 06, 2012 at 09:14:28
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Toro, sometimes you does behave like if you cannot reason properly.

I am not discussing about politicians who won the town of St. George seat in the past. If you read my comments with a non political bias attitude with the intention to distort what I said, most likely you will recoginse that I am talking about the present political battle for the town of St. George seat between three upper class Grenadians of Cauasian descent. I am looking at the political climate that create such an interested contest.

Toro, man ah know you are smarter than that, so please step up to the discussion and doh play manicou with the topic. T

If your political idol Peter David did not ran for office as an NDC candidate in the last two general election, most likely Brenda Hood would have still be the MP for the town of St. George.

You have to face tha facts that Peter David do not blong to the same social class as you and Lordhuingry, even though all of allu are comrades from the town.

Peter David was able to get the upper class townites vote, and he defeated Brenda because she is not of the upper class St. George's class. During the last general election, even you Toro were making pappyshow of Mrs Brenda Hood and calling her the stylish lady in red.

However, the NNP did the right thing by nominating Nicholas Steele to be their candidate for the town Of St. George for this coming election, because Mrs Hood will not be able to get some of the votes Nicholas Steele can get from Peter David.
And the point is, both Peter David and Nicholas Steele belong to the same money and upper class in St. George's. From that social context, Mrs Hood do not have that family background. She belong the the George's negro class.

Now that the NDC kicked out Peter David, the party need to fill in a candidate of the same racial and social class as Peter David and Nicholas Steele, in order to maintain and hold on to the upper class votes in the capital city. Therefore, Dr. Franka Bernadine is the best person within the NDC ranks to challenge Peter David and Nicholas Steele for the seat in this coming election.

Allu black folks in town doh have money, and most of allu will not support a lower class black political candidate in this era of our political culture.

So if ah was living in St. Goerge's town and I am a NNP, ah would have to vote for Nicholas Steele to be my MP.

Basically, I am a practical person and I do not like to get myself caught up in all these nonsense about Socialism and Capitalism. I am into realiasm. Because that is the way it is now politically in Grenada.


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844970


Date: October 06, 2012 at 09:46:44
From: Toro,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Instead of my own response, I’ll reproduce something Stryker posted somewhere else on the board. Read Stryker:

I think CM tried to play the opportunist here. He took the cross section of one future election and tried to build a case when there was no running history to support his assertion. True, the demographics of the constituency may have changed but the way same one sparrow doesn't make a summer, one election that is yet to happen doesn't create a legacy. Also, I would think that the south st George would be a better example where race might be a determining factor, but since the last winner was a black lady from St David's, he has no case there either.

I can also think of mixed-race candidates who ran for the seat and lost time and time again. Start with Terrance Marryshow.

I will be hard hitting here: Much like his convoluted country-town brand of politics that pits agrarianism[minus the farms] versus the urbanism[inclusive of low paying and controversy generating industries], CM is off base. It is quite evident he has this ingrown bias for everything urban and he seems to be extending it to Urbanites and their percieved resources here.

It is good to debate, but to manufacture debate material that is questionable at best is another thing.
My advice to CM, as a friend, some hills are worth dying on......this is not one of them.''

By the way, CM, tell me this:

You think NDC putting Dr. George Vincent to run in St. John against DaBreo because Dr. Vincent is brown/red and he stand a better chance against a wealthy brown man like DaBreo than a black man like Gouyaveman?

You think NDC putting Dennoth Modeste to run against Dr. Clarice Modeste because only a Modeste could beat a Modeste or because we is a male chauvinist society and we know a man bound to beat a woman, or them politicians like to see black people fight one another?

You think NNP believe Tobias Clement is the best candidate to beat Nazim Burke in St. George's North East because two of them from Carriacou or, again, them politicians just like to see black people fight?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 10:12:15
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Toro, ah think Peter will have to look for a better person to give him political ideas and get rid of you. You do not understnd the dynamics of Grenadian politics and you feel that you know and you never like to listen, but you always want to fed people with your political nonsense ideas.

Dennoth Modeste and Clarice Modeste are cousins and St. Mark is a small place. NDC decision to nominate Dennoth Modeste as the candidate to contest the seat against Clarice Modeste can split votes in the villages where the Modeste family and friends reside.

It is the same thing in St. Patrick West. Anthony Boatswain and Joseph Gilbert are cousins and it is epected that family ties will have an effect on how the votes go with the two candidates.

Toro, man you got to wake up with the realities of Grenada politics.

No wonder why allu could not surive within the NDC fold. Allu leading Peter David down into a political pit.



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Date: October 06, 2012 at 10:19:16
From: Toro,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


You're giving commentary and family data, without answering the questions:

You think NDC putting Dr. George Vincent to run in St. John against DaBreo because Dr. Vincent is brown/red and he stand a better chance against a wealthy brown man like DaBreo than a black man like Gouyaveman?

You think NDC putting Dennoth Modeste to run against Dr. Clarice Modeste because only a Modeste could beat a Modeste or because we is a male chauvinist society and we know a man bound to beat a woman, or them politicians like to see black people fight one another?

You think NNP believe Tobias Clement is the best candidate to beat Nazim Burke in St. George's North East because two of them from Carriacou or, again, them politicians just like to see black people fight?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 11:13:59
From: DON,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


TORO

I think U are needlessly twisting the discussion

so let us take it from here

can U give a reason , why dr Keith Mitchell selected N. Steele ...a man who most think does not have a history of people to people interaction?

was his name picked out randomly ?

or was it more in line with what Country marxist asserted???


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 11:36:14
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


DON, these days ah give up on Toro. He doh seem to be smart as I thought he was.

Since after Toro went and work with GIS to promote Peter David and carelessly try to ignore Prime Miniser Tillman Thomas and Nazim Burke, I realise Toro is either stupid or he thinks others are stupid than him


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 10:29:36
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Toro, if that is the way you want to twist the discussion, now I understnd why there was infighting within the NDC, when allu were part of it.


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844907


Date: October 05, 2012 at 22:04:58
From: Countrymarist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


DON, I agree with you 100%. I raise that topic because I relise that some of us Grenadians do not like to addres those social issues,and when folks like me who belong to the low class blck population riase the topic for discussion, we does have others getting defensive and accsing us of being racists or trying to promote racism.


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844909


Date: October 05, 2012 at 22:12:36
From: Peschief,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


CM Where are you "Low Class"? Who put you in that bracket or did you go there yourself?

I am quite sure that some of the people who you classify as not low class are in a worse off situation than you are'

You in comparison to some of us in Grenada will be in a better economic position by having accumulated wealth abroad. You may be even better off financially than some of the Causians on the Island.

Should we now look at you and treat you different? According to tour line of thinking we should. I say NO!


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 12:29:47
From: Recs,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


CM is stuck in his own race and class warfare.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 12:36:21
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Rescs, it is because you did not read my argument, so you fixed your mind, it is a racists issue, rather than a economic issue based on Grenada's colonial past, and who have the money.

Anyway, I predict that Nicholas Steele will win the seat.


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844910


Date: October 05, 2012 at 22:26:12
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Perchief, you might not mean bad based on how you look at issues, but for some reason or the other, you are not matured, when it comes to reasoning beyond the simplicities of issues of social interest.

Please remeber that our presence in Grenada begins with salvery and colonialism. If you just an come to terms with the genesis, you will think with an open mind.

Let me give you another example, so you will not look at the issue as a racists taboo.

Anthony Boatswain and Joesph Gilbert are cousins, Boatswain main political challenger for the political seat in St. Patrick West is Joseph Gilbert and both of them are black. Don't you believe that the NDC selected Joseph Gilbert as the party candidate to run against Anthony Boatswain in order for the NDC to have a better chance to wing the seat? Don't you believe that Gilbert must have gooten some votes from Boatswian becuas they have the same family in that political riding?


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 22:38:27
From: Peschief,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


<< Anthony Boatswain and Joesph Gilbert are cousins, Boatswain main political challenger for the political seat in St. Patrick West is Joseph Gilbert and both of them are black. Don't you believe that the NDC selected Joseph Gilbert as the party candidate to run against Anthony Boatswain in order for the NDC to have a better chance to wing the seat? Don't you believe that Gilbert must have gooten some votes from Boatswian becuas they have the same family in that political riding? >>

And you say that i look at the issue from an immature perspective? When i dont submit to YOUR perspective i am being immature? Come on - dont try to insult my intellect.

The candidates are being looked at from their ABILITY and chances of winning the seat- Not the colour of their skin!


I dont have to go to big school to learn or see that.


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 22:48:55
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


I never said that you are not a smart person. All I said is that you do not like to discuss issues in a mature manner. However, that does not mean you are not a a intellegent person. For example, a roman Cotholic priest with a Phd in Science, will still tell his congregation that Abortion is bad and using a condom to have sex is forbidden by God's law.

However, in you case, you seem to hate the topic of race difference in Grenada. Maybe you had a bad experience discussing that topic on race, or else you must be living in denial that race is not a factor globally.

As for me, discussing the issue of race and class does not mean I am rcists. But I believe it is not a taboo in Grenada.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 06:45:41
From: Calypso,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


CM, I have noticed this too about Peschief. He likes to create this racial Utopia, ignoring the fact that color and race will ALWAYS play a major role in Caribbean politics. Personally, I think that you Grees are more color conscious than we JAs. This very good. The Caribbean is a black man's domain and should stay that way. JAs prefer their light- skinned politicans. You Grees were racially on top of things before Jamaica was. Gairy set the tone despite his short-comings.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 16:49:49
From: Peschief,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


<< The Caribbean is a black man's domain and should stay that way. >>

Realy? This is the kind of thinking that leads down all kinds of dark roads.

Both Whites and Blacks never originated in the Caribbean. The Caribbean is also not Africa or Europe.

What claim do both have?

Whites came here and took the land which was inhabited by the Amerindians. (Claim by conquest)

With the period of slavery the majority of the population in the Caribbean were mainly of African decent which is still this way with the exception of Trinidad and Guyana to some extent. (Claim by numbers)

The present Caribbean population is primarily mixture of all the ethnic groups with people who can trace their roots to both their white and black forefathers. It is the exception rather than the norm (although not impossible) to find pure black or causian persons in the Caribbean except in countries where some groups have been isolated (Haiti).

I get the feeling sometimes when someone say that people "Prefer light skinned politicans" they are saying that the population is either stupid, believe that skin colour is somehow superior or these "Light shinned" people somehow have supernatural powers.

I believe that my people are smarter than that!

BTW Do you prefer or vote for a "Light shinned person" no matter what their credentials?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 17:32:58
From: Calypso,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


The Caribbean as long distinguished it self as a black nation ever since the slaves fought for their independence. They drove out the Europeans. The fractions in conflict: the mixed- race against the blacks, the Asian against the blacks came as a result of the indentured workers and the contribution they brought along. The Caribbean has mostly peoples of African descent. Like Mother Africa it is black- dominated. The majority must rule.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 19:58:08
From: Peschief,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


<< The Caribbean as long distinguished it self as a black nation ever since the slaves fought for their independence. They drove out the Europeans >>

So then it is ownership by conquest - according to you?

So if the other people came - Just as the slaves did, They should not have a voice and are not an EQUAL part of the mix?

<< The Caribbean has mostly peoples of African descent. Like Mother Africa it is black- dominated. The majority must rule. >>

Then how is it that this majority is still claiming to be the victims when in fact they rule?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 07:57:31
From: jk,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Calypso is like you 'ent know about Trinidad and Guyana.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 08:09:29
From: Calypso,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


I know about both: both East-Indian dominated countries where blacks struggle for power.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 08:23:32
From: Question,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Blacks struggle for power? More to me where blacks relinquish power


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 08:43:10
From: Calypso,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


There are more East Indians in Guyana than Africans. They are also more economically secure and are more educated. In any culture where is such a dynamics, the majority or minority will lead. Look at blacks in America! Sure, color plays an important factor. We are not only the minority but we are less educated and have no economic power. Notice the Asians. They are fewer than us but are so driven educationally and financially.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 08:51:24
From: Question,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Tell me about South Africa.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 10:06:22
From: Calypso,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Same thing in South Africa. Whites were more educated. They had economic power and weaponry, therefore, the 5 million of them were able to control 40 million Africans. South Africa is now changing. Thank heavens!! I hope the Africans learned from their past. It should NEVER be repeated.


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 23:03:33
From: DON,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


As for me, discussing the issue of race and class does not mean I am rcists. But I believe it is not a taboo in Grenada. "

country...

seems like some folks think what is...IS

like things are like rain..it just falls...

dey continually fail to reconize that what we see today is directly tied to its own historical development....

maybe if U start talking about fisherman In Gouyave...

and u ask

why is it there are hardly any light skiined folks fishing in Gouyave"

then maybe dey may see whwere U are coming from

(well at least sometimes...lol)


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 23:16:49
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


DON, and the bad thing is that they think if we discuss those topic, we are racists.
But the issue is not about promoting hatred. It all about discussing our history as a people in the Tri Island State.

For example, the other I was telling some Grenadians that the most Anglicans in the world are black but the top people in the in that religion are some white folks in England. And the population of Anglicans in Nigeria alone is almost that of the entire British populationn.

I told them that Latin America and North America have the most Roman Catholic, but the leaders in the Vatican are basically Europeans.

The same thing for the Seventh Days Adventist religion. about 80% of Seventh Dys Adventist are blck, but leadership of the Church are white.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 02:39:02
From: Ice-Man,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Religion is another form of imperialism... People will give their possessions to the church before they give it to their own. In fact religion is the most corrupted element on this planet along with big brother. Africa and Central/South America are properly wheeled in…

Stop diverting the conversation though. Ah watching allu… Hehe


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 21:45:25
From: Lordhungry,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Ok, Mandingo prove to me that you are a "Pure Black" African. Is it skin color or looks?


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 21:41:05
From: Peschief,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Are these people not Grenadian?

Is Grenada an African Country?

How many of the elected members of Government are white? What is the problem if one is not Black?

Another of your Racist uttering which i will condemn.

Would it be ok for you if ALL reps were Black? Would it be ok if ALL Grenadians were black?

Do these people contribute to Grenada?

Whites in Grenada are a minority group. I guess that in your opinion they should not have a voice.

You should retract this post and stop your racist rants. The constitution of Grenada protects the rights of ALL its citizens.

<< However, a Grenadian must have a bit of Cauasian blood to win the electoral seat in the Town of st. George >>

How much in your opinion?


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 21:39:18
From: Jamaica MAN,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


However, a Grenadian must have a bit of Cauasian blood to win the electoral seat in the Town of st. George.>>>>>
CM, this is pure nonsense. Over 25% of Grenadians have a little Causian blood. How much ausian blood did Marryshow have?

In a two way race, Peter stands a chance; in a three way race, Steele will win hands down. IIn fact, I hope he wins. Steel brings youth and new blood into grenadian politics.


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 21:57:24
From: Peschief,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


People like CM sees the causian and black blood when it is convenient.

Bob Marley
Eric Williams
Marryshow
Bishop
Tiger woods
Obama
Malcom X
Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson

And the list goes on .............

CM Makes having Causian blood is like having a DEASEASE.

Racist are not born that way. It is learned. Seems like CM Graduated from the University with honours. (Mansa went there too and graduated with a PhD)


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 23:56:50
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


>Mansa went there too and graduated with a PhD

Mansah RUNS the school, LOL.


B.


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 22:55:22
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Perchief, maybe you did not read the subject of the discussion. Are you telling me and other talk-shoppers, it is just a co-incident that the three canditaes who will be vying for the seat in the town of St. George?

Are you denying that the economic power in the town of St. George do not play a role in Grenada's general election?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 19:29:53
From: correlation,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Correlation does not imply causation. I repeat "CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION"
You have a very small set. Statistically insignificant results.
Take, for example, 3 candidates are chosen from a pool of say 60 candidates chosen to run for a seat at random. You have 3 categories. black/red/white, evenly distributed. What is the probability of
a) all of one category
b)2/1/0 split
c)1/1/1 split?
Moderated By: mod@spiceislandertalkshop.com


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844921


Date: October 05, 2012 at 23:19:34
From: DON,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


and DR Keith Mitchell recognizes the social dynamic of st georges and on that basis he has selected his candidates

and I dare anyone to call him a Racist

and by the way Country

U were strong in your defense of the Dr Keith's selection of the steele fellow and the other candidate


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 23:53:07
From: Toro,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


And while we're at it, we probably should discuss what some consider a bigger issue - women in politics. They want more female candidates.

And, in keeping with CM's question, maybe we should ask whether Joan Purcell and Brenda Hood were selected as candidates and won Town of St. George because they are women or because of their race/color?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 00:04:04
From: DON,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


2 birds with one stone...


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 00:19:56
From: Toro,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


One bird is them is female.

The other is them is caucasian or full African?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 00:35:33
From: DON,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


i would say ..more to the side of a mulatto

i think though it is combination of social class and skin tone

for eg.. the Monk Monk was light skinned but generally speaking they lacked the social standing

not forgetting of course how they occupied the teller windows when darker skinned folks were kept out




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Date: October 05, 2012 at 20:56:00
From: Ice-Man,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


I always laugh at Caribbean people in the Caribbean when they talk about racism. It's the funniest f***ing thing. Knowing damn well the white man dislike all ah yu! Grand Ma said her daughter disowned her daughter (Grand Ma's Grand daughter) because she have a child with a black man. SMFH...


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 20:53:46
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: (Correction) If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Well it has become very interesting. The parliamentary seat for the Town of St. George will be contested by candidates who are partly Cauasian. Ah now see on CC6 Flow News that Franka Alexis might be the NDC Candidate for the Town Of St. George.

Allu please tell me why the best choice of candidates for all the major political parties, including Peter David himself and his new party will be contesting for the seat of St. George?

And yet still ah see some of allu trying to tell me race and racism are not social factors in Grenada and political sturcture?

All this talk about Socialism vresus Capitalism and other Ism's, still have the legacy of colonialism.

Maybe in the future, I will try to a tackle that issue in a piece of writing.
Ah know some of allu might say ah must not discuss that topic, but I know for sure race and class still exist in Grenada.

However, is seem these days that a Grenadian must have a bit of Cauasian blood to win the electoral seat in the Town of st. George.


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 20:52:53
From: Historian,
Subject: Re: If you are pure blck of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Get a grip. What planet do you live on, and what year is it there? People, as you call them, who are "not of pure African stock" are just as Grenadian as the blackest descendent of Mandingo - this is 2012 my friend, get with it.


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844894


Date: October 05, 2012 at 21:26:25
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Historian, these are social issues we must discuss so that we can get rid of the taboos, that Grenada do not have a browning class with influence in the urban business communities.

If I was a citizen of the Town of St. George, I will have to make choice to vote for one of those browning candiates with the best political ideas bout how to develop St. George's, in the best interest of Grenadians.

However, that does not mean I must not discuss why persons of Cauasian descent are the most suitable choices of candidates to contest the seat in St. George's town a genearal election.

These days educated black Jamaicans are writing about the social previllege of the browning class in Jamaica's politics, so why can't I write and discuss that same issue in Grenada too?

Personally, for me, discussing the topic is just to explain and to educate people that Grenada does not have one race and one social class of people. However, Grenada is embracing the democratic system whereby citizens of all the different races and classes have a role to play witin the society.

If we do not address those issues, we will be holding on to those taboos that race and class are not political and social factors in Grenada, as they are in other Caribbean countries.

Please don'tmake this discussion a racist topic, but a socail and political topic based on economics and calss within our Grenadian sociaety. That is all.

With all the talk about which candidate is a Socialists or Capitalists, the big factor is that they are all mied with Cauasian, and it is very iportant of us to discuss the social environment in the town of St. George that makes persons of Cauasian descent the best choice to contest as candidates of that seat during a general election.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 00:36:16
From: tungboy,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


CM

Time to stop the RHETORIC. I think you have gone overboard.

WHY? It clearly shows that you do not understand the history of Grenada. I would refer you to the 1946 handbook.

I think you need to check out the true HISTORICAL facts before going into an area that you know nothing OFF


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 22:04:09
From: Peschief,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


<< Please don'tmake this discussion a racist topic, but a socail and political topic based on economics and calss within our Grenadian sociaety. That is all >>

Dont play mass and fraid powder!

Yes this is a racist topic and you started it! Take responsibility for your comments!

Who votes for the elected members in Town? What percentage is Causian?

Are you saying the people of Town are Stupid? or racist?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 09:32:30
From: Countrymarxist,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Perchief, no I am not saying that the people in town are stupid. I am looking at who are the ones with money, and with the NDC former MP Peter David beating Brenda Hood two times at the poll, it shows that David was able to get the rich folks vote, due to the fact that he blong to the rich class, plus the NDC is the new version of the GNP of the past.

Now that Peter David find himself in conflict with the folks who have money in the political riding, the best political choice for those with money will be Nicholas Steele of the NNP.

As Peter David is getting ready to form his own political party and to contest the seat in this coming election, the NDC best political choice for thta seat will be Franka Bernadine, becuse she belongs to the same political and socail class as Peter David and Nicholas Steele.

However, I think that this political contest for the seat of St. George will be very interesting. Politics in St. George is suppose to be all about economics, because the city is the centre of commerce


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 09:46:56
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


>I am looking at who are the ones with money,
>and with the NDC former MP Peter David
>beating Brenda Hood two times at the poll, it
>shows that David was able to get the rich
>folks vote, due to the fact that he blong to
>the rich class, plus the NDC is the new
>version of the GNP of the past.

From what I know about the "rich folks", they are typically NNP supporters as they see the NDC, and in particular Peter David, leaning to the left. How much of the votes are made by rich people anyway? Chuts man - you are vooping as usual, nothing new to see here.


B.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 16:59:45
From: Peschief,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


How many of these "Rich people with businesses" live in Town? As far as i know most wealthy Grenadians DO NOT LIVE IN TOWN!

The Constituency of the Town of St George is not just the Town limits where business are conducted.

Guess we have a lot of rich folk in River road and Dabeau. Did not know that!


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 21:42:36
From: Historian,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


"Please don'tmake this discussion a racist topic"

But ... the whole topic is .... racist! What other issue are you raising but race? Enlighten me!

Look, the plain fact is that, as a product of centuries of history, "brown" people in Grenada DO tend to be richer, better educated and better "connected" than the norm - that will only change over GENERATIONS.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 00:12:53
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


>Look, the plain fact is that, as a product of
>centuries of history, "brown" people in
>Grenada DO tend to be richer, better educated
>and better "connected" than the norm - that
>will only change over GENERATIONS.

It maybe a "product of history", but there are also pretty specific reasons for it, and they have little to do with race and a LOT more to do with the practice of gaining and preserving wealth, the techniques for which have little to do with race.


B.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 07:00:12
From: Question,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


It may be a "product of history" but there are also pretty specific reasons for it, and they have little to do with race and a LOT more to do with the practice of gain ing and preserving wealth, the techniques of which have little to do with race<<<<<<,,,,

Have I ever heard a more bigoted comment Big B?

Brown skin people's technique of gaining and preserving wealth is superior to those of darker skin people?

Then haven't you actually confirmed bigotry here against darker skin people since historically, wholistically, darker skin people were denied the opportunity brown skin people was privileged to?


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 09:04:38
From: Brian,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Again, it has nothing to do with colour. There are persons in Grenada today of all colours that have considerable wealth. Some brought it with them to Grenada. Some made their wealth overseas then returned to Grenada. Some made their wealth in Grenada. Even in the same families, you have persons that have managed to gain wealth, and others that have not. While chance and opportunity does play a part in it no doubt, IMO it's what people do with the chances that are provided to them that makes the difference. For example, some people take the money they make, invest it in the latest clothes and travel and nightlife, and years later wonder why they still live in a one-bedroom apartment with no real assets to talk about and nothing to pass on to their children. Others start saving their money from early on, and invest it in tangible assets (e.g. land) that provide sufficient benefit for themselves and their kids later on. Even the number of kids they have is a choice, based on what they can afford to provide for the kids in terms of education, clothing, etc.


B.


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Date: October 06, 2012 at 09:17:30
From: Question,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


I would like to respond to this but I cannot at this time. If the spirit of the thread lives on I will. I don't like raising the dead.


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 21:58:11
From: DON,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


>>Look, the plain fact is that, as a product of centuries of history, "brown" people in Grenada DO tend to be richer, better educated and better "connected" than the norm - that will only change over GENERATIONS. <<

so in actuallity U are giving an answer....seeped in history to Country Marxist observation!!!!


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 22:07:16
From: Historian,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?


Yes and?


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Date: October 05, 2012 at 22:34:49
From: DON,
Subject: Re: If you are pure black of African descend you cannot win St. George's seat as an MP?

URL: http://www.spiceislandertalkshop.com/talkshop/messages/844899.html



R u the same person who made that post ??


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