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#12 Oct 04, 2017 10:18 am

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Re: Vegas gunman used add-on to make rifle almost automatic - NY Daily

New Historian wrote:

Did I ever say full confiscation of all firearms? Now who's putting words in who's mouth? How about starting with the "no-brainers": banning ALL conversion kits, banning mentally unstable people having guns, banning unregulated gun shows, banning people on the no-fly list from buying guns, or even, heaven forbid the blasphemy, not allowing a single individual to own 42 rifles? Or even your 25?

Parts for a full auto weapon are as illegal as the weapon itself and possession of them is a serious felony with up to a $250,000 fine and prison time.

It is currently illegal for those deemed insane or mentally unstable to possess firearms.

There is no such thing as an "unregulated gun show".  All dealers at all gun shows are subject to the same rules and laws as storefront gun shop owners. 

The no-fly list isn't just a wide list.  Senator Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly list after 9/11.  If the no fly list was anything like an actual list of dangerous people and not just a list of names that sound like names of dangerous people, that might be workable.  The idea, however, that a faceless bureaucrat can put your name on a list that voids our rights under the Constitution is pretty messed up.

The vast majority of spree killers only use one or two firearms so banning collectors from owning multiple firearms would accomplish nothing and is just a pointless exercise,

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#13 Oct 04, 2017 10:18 am

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Re: Vegas gunman used add-on to make rifle almost automatic - NY Daily

Oh please. What is this, tit-for-tat massacres? NOWHERE on the planet has NOWHERE as many mass gun murders as the US, so don't even try that. You want me to Wiki all the US mass shootings? There isn't enough room!

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#14 Oct 04, 2017 10:25 am

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Re: Vegas gunman used add-on to make rifle almost automatic - NY Daily

You seem way more upset about this than I recall you being last year when a Tunisian immigrant to France killed 86 in Nice by running them down with a truck.  Why is that?

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#15 Oct 04, 2017 10:27 am

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Re: Vegas gunman used add-on to make rifle almost automatic - NY Daily

Or when, less than two years ago, jihadis killed 137 in Paris.

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#16 Oct 04, 2017 10:33 am

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Because at least the jihadis have a motive; these gun massacres are just senseless. With the jihadis you know whom you're fighting, you know the "enemy". They have a political/religious agenda, at least that gives you something to go on. You refuse to countenance any change in the gun regime in America. You are empowering the high rate of gun crime. That's why.

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#17 Oct 04, 2017 10:42 am

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Re: Vegas gunman used add-on to make rifle almost automatic - NY Daily

New Historian wrote:

You refuse to countenance any change in the gun regime in America.

You act like it is up to me.  It isn't.  Some problems don't have solutions.

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#18 Oct 04, 2017 10:58 am

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Re: Vegas gunman used add-on to make rifle almost automatic - NY Daily

You can-do gung-ho win-at-all-costs Americans all become strangely pessimistic when it comes to attempting the slightest of gun controls. Go ahead, it's your country, continue killing yourselves then.

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#19 Oct 04, 2017 11:03 am

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Re: Vegas gunman used add-on to make rifle almost automatic - NY Daily

Suggest one, realistic change to gun laws that would have prevented what happened in Vegas.

He passed background checks.
He was a millionaire so he could get what he wanted.
A waiting period would do nothing.
He had no history of mental illness.
He had no criminal background.
He wasn't on the no-fly list.
He could have done the same thing with two guns as with 42.

What realistic change to gun laws last year would have prevented this from happening this year?

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#20 Oct 04, 2017 11:12 am

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Re: Vegas gunman used add-on to make rifle almost automatic - NY Daily

Real Distwalker wrote:
New Historian wrote:

You refuse to countenance any change in the gun regime in America.

You act like it is up to me.  It isn't.  Some problems don't have solutions.

We have already been down this road, so like hitting ones head against the wall no different outcome is likely to occur.

But.

Just SOME simple incursions into the right to bear arms would go against the grain, and would instill fear of big brother scrapping the 2nd ammendement, but as you just wrote, it is just abaout unimaginable that they can confiscate 300 million firearms.

But.

How about some simple sane alterations to the free for all that almost exists now.

Firstly, firearms to be kept locked seperately from ammunition in a gun safe... unless actively being used for day to day/night self defense. Reduced magazines for non competition firearms. A DATABASE. As the United States wants to be considerred a commonwealth individual states or even counties having controls matching the characteristics of that state. Iowa very limited restrictions. New York City hand guns for self defense.... to be allowed for those with property and wealth to need protecting, but ownership of tacticle weapons restricted to appropriate gun club membership. Likewise active membership of a gun club needed for hand guns to encourage competative shooting, increase safety awareness, and increased skill levels so that if even needed in anger the risks to 3rd parties would be reduced.

I understand MOST tacticle weapons are simply sporting rifles made out of plastic rather than wood, and that they just look more sinister, and that they are infinitely modifiable, So I am not saying outlaw them, just make ownership of them AND sporting rifles appropriate to the environment in which thay would be used.

I know Americas genie is well and trully out of the bottle, but some sensible limitations have to be better all round than none. Lets face it if gun crime reduced, there would be less push back on gun ownership.

And without question outlaw kits that "convert" semi's into full auto for civillians. A Glock on full auto is a mean machine.

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