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#21 Nov 08, 2017 8:24 am

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New Historian wrote:

"Regrettably where America goes Britain follows"

That's just not true. Britain does not have a gun culture, Britain does not have a hateful, divisive political culture, Britain is far more inclusive and tolerant than America, race relations in Britain are far superior to that in the USA, I could go on....

I don't know what planet you have been on kiddo. Despite all the positive things you state which are basically true regarding the social structure of the UK.... Which is still a long way from perfection. The thrust of my previous post was that The UK, and many countries along with it are being influenced down the path of decadence which America has already passed.

I will accept I strayed away from the subject line, but I was illustrating why Europe is following American trends.

Mass killings other than those created by ISIS or previously the IRA are very rare, but have happened. Hungerford and Dunblane spring to mind. I think Norway had a bad mass shooting as well not so long ago.

There IS a gun culture, it is just a very different gun culture. Farmers often have guns, shotguns for vermin control, and small caliber handguns for animal dispatch. Many many people have guns, but they are issued ONLY for use in sport, and the police are very strict with making sure the weapons are used within sport via a club. I know of people who have been squabbling about fees with their club, and have failed to pay the membership fee... The police did their regular checks, and finding they were not paid up members took away their firearms license.... and guns.

Due to the lack of "self protection" gun owners comply and always travel with guns in locked cases or gun slips, also generally while owners may have a gun mentality, it is not a gung ho rambo mentality. I would suggest that it IS the regulation which America resists that helps to bring guns to the fore.

People holding guns does not have to automatically mean mass killings. We have around 1% gun ownership in Grenada, and issues with citizens are very very few. Actually were the authorities to give better guidance on what is or is not acceptable or legal there might be even fewer mishaps. Eg the latest event where a Lottery outlet owner thought himself to have been robbed, and went after the people he thought guilty. He would have been better advised not to go chasing off after the event without the gun. Which automatically set him up for being in the wrong. Having got there despite being attacked by a guy with a cutlass..... He was on their land, and should have run off. As it stands he is now the aggressor, so stands to be convicted.

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#22 Nov 08, 2017 9:16 am

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Re: Mass killings in USA

Real Distwalker wrote:

The US is a big place but violent crime has been dropping for many years.  Those are the facts straight out of the FBI.  Mass shootings are a trivial part of overall crime but get a lot of attention.   Violent crime has fallen in the US at the same time gun ownership and carry has increased.

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RD are you justifying the  Gun Violence?

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#23 Nov 08, 2017 9:58 am

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Slice wrote:

RD are you justifying the  Gun Violence?

Of course not.  It is terrible.  I am saying that, despite the media attention, violent crime was worse 25 years ago than it is today.  I know that flies in the face of what everyone thinks they know but you are safer in the United States in 2017 than you were in 1992. 

Gun deaths are terrible.  The reality is, however, that I have a much greater chance of being killed or maimed every time I get in a car.  I don't live in fear of car rides and I am not going to live in fear of crime.

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#24 Nov 08, 2017 3:00 pm

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Re: Mass killings in USA

New Historian wrote:

Mass shootings are becoming an epidemic:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41890277

Meanwhile "Bump Stocks" orders resumes this week.

One this is clear. The powers that be has ruled out any and all restrictions or control on the weapon itself. That leaves on the "grey area" that is mental illness.

We who have no say are only left to one wonder who is "more" mentally ill:

The mass murderers?

Or those who arm them?      With bump stocks and all.

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#25 Nov 08, 2017 3:20 pm

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All I know is there is something sickeningly and sort of prophetically sacrilegious about these people willing to offer up their grannies and their little babies in defense of mass murder weapons manufactured deliberately to kill.

I heard the pastor of that church talking about good and evil. And the presence of the devil on earth as the reason for such carnage and I could only wonder who he thinks is responsible for these murder weapons, God or the devil they preach about.

Mental illness, eh? Hmmn!

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#26 Nov 08, 2017 3:49 pm

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I read that the shooting started during the opening hymn long before any kind of homily would have taken place.

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#27 Nov 10, 2017 11:04 pm

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Real Distwalker wrote:

I read that the shooting started during the opening hymn long before any kind of homily would have taken place.

What's that got to do with anything?

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#28 Nov 10, 2017 11:32 pm

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GMW seemed to be increasing the drama via a fictional account of an eerily ironic homily interrupted by gunfire.  I disputed that account.

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#29 Nov 10, 2017 11:54 pm

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Awoah.

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#30 Nov 11, 2017 12:17 am

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New Historian wrote:
Real Distwalker wrote:

I read that the shooting started during the opening hymn long before any kind of homily would have taken place.

What's that got to do with anything?

It's has nothing to do with anything other than mighty America and the last for guns.

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