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#1 Jan 11, 2018 9:52 am

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French Women :::: Stop the harrassment of Men

I was waiting to see if some North American man or woman had the intestinal fortitude to say ' hold on females'.
It took a group of French women writers ,performers and academics to come to our aid .  How emasculated can you get males ?
In this letter posted on Tuesday , here are the 'fine' points...
*Men have been punished summarily , forced out of their jobs, when all they did was touch someone knee , or try to steal a kiss.
* Rape is a crime , but trying to seduce someone  , persistently or clumsily is not ..... and not are men  being ungentlemanly a chauvinist attack.
A new 'puritanism ' is afoot in the world , they say.... while it is legitimate and necessary to speak against the abuse and power of some men , these constant denunciations have spiraled out of control.
As women we do not recognize ourselves in this feminism , which , beyond denouncing the abuse of power , takes on hatred of men and sexuality.

------ Thank you Catherin  Deneuve  and others.

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#2 Jan 11, 2018 10:31 am

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Hear hear! Men, and more so boys, are being increasingly stigmatized and vilified for the actions of a few. The good old fashioned boy-meets-girl and "makes a move" is increasingly being replaced by dating sites and online porn. It's a sad world we're leaving for our children.

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#3 Jan 11, 2018 12:35 pm

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Here is the issue that make me go nuts, in some cases, the women were wiling partners, and when it did no go their way, they scream sexual harassment.  Despite me being ah rat, I have never ask ah woman out.  Women always approach me,.
I think there are two sides to this story, and only one is being told.  Now the Cosby of the world is a totally different story.

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#4 Jan 11, 2018 1:44 pm

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There needs to checks and balances in all things, the thought police can be out to get you.

However the majority of the cases we are aware of in the media relate to far more than a botched seduction. They tend to be powerful people taking advantage of the other parties insecurities and many time need to keep a job.

Although the gang of builders ogling young women from 3 stories up, or the crew of the refuse truck shouting out I like your arse may think it is funny, the individual on the other end is going to be made to feel embarrassed and uncomfortable. There was a movie made of one womans day a little while back, and multiple times all kinds of men made comments. Now I have to be honest and say that if multiple women who looked a bit tasty said nice things about me I would both be amazed, grateful, and being a lecherous SOB I would probably spin on my heel and try and get their panties off.... But most women do not ask for or want inappropriate comments shouted at them all day long.

The French have a completely different take on relationships, and seem quite unconcerned if someone has an affair. Which is why people in politics do not have to worry when they have a woman on the side. The electorate don't care.

No you shouldn't be vilified if you touch a girls knee too quickly, an oh sorry, and a bit of embarrassment should be enough. But keep sliding your hand up because women always no, but don't mean it is wrong, wrong, wrong.

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#5 Jan 12, 2018 9:43 am

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OK Trump and that swine from Hollywood and also Cosby  cases are in class by themselves.  Here is what ah wonder how many of these women slept with, the swine they call Weinstein, not because he force himself, but because they wanted, because of his power?

I have learnt one lesson in my Adult life, sex is ah ah billion times better when the woman wants it.  Not the man, but the woman.

That is the reason, I could never ever understand rape.

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#6 Jan 12, 2018 10:04 pm

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If a woman grabs a man's butt: is she going to be considered and treated the same way as if it were the reverse situation?

I understand that the male-female relationship has been traumatic in particular for women, in a male dominated society over millenia. However, if women now turn it into such a way that they are becoming men's source of trauma, they won't have contributed in any way to the situation. And the purpose of any challenge, is to bring improvement, not to reduce it to a give-it-back-to-the-b*.

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#7 Jan 13, 2018 12:44 am

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Vanni wrote:

If a woman grabs a man's butt: is she going to be considered and treated the same way as if it were the reverse situation?

I understand that the male-female relationship has been traumatic in particular for women, in a male dominated society over millenia. However, if women now turn it into such a way that they are becoming men's source of trauma, they won't have contributed in any way to the situation. And the purpose of any challenge, is to bring improvement, not to reduce it to a give-it-back-to-the-b*.

Vanni, sexual harassment is an embarrassing situation, I have been through it and had to blackmail my former boss to keep my job. We woman have the tendency not to push the issue into the limelight for we do not want our reputation to be enmeshed in scandal. When one woman is brave enough to come forward, she give others to do the same. This is what happened. I don't believe the women are lying but they didn't have the nerve to come forward. If women do the same to men, she is targeted a cheap and promiscuous. Americans are like characters from the Emperor's New clothes. They'll see things happening and go along with it. until someone points it out, then they address the issue. French women are perverts and not the best moral judges so please ignore them!

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#8 Jan 13, 2018 4:28 pm

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The issue must certainly be addressed Calypso: it's vital. It's the hysteria and the usual opportunism which both bother me. As well as to give it back with a vengeance. Can we women make an example of ourselves?

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#9 Jan 13, 2018 5:32 pm

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Calypso wrote:
Vanni wrote:

If a woman grabs a man's butt: is she going to be considered and treated the same way as if it were the reverse situation?

I understand that the male-female relationship has been traumatic in particular for women, in a male dominated society over millenia. However, if women now turn it into such a way that they are becoming men's source of trauma, they won't have contributed in any way to the situation. And the purpose of any challenge, is to bring improvement, not to reduce it to a give-it-back-to-the-b*.

Vanni, sexual harassment is an embarrassing situation, I have been through it and had to blackmail my former boss to keep my job. We woman have the tendency not to push the issue into the limelight for we do not want our reputation to be enmeshed in scandal. When one woman is brave enough to come forward, she give others to do the same. This is what happened. I don't believe the women are lying but they didn't have the nerve to come forward. If women do the same to men, she is targeted a cheap and promiscuous. Americans are like characters from the Emperor's New clothes. They'll see things happening and go along with it. until someone points it out, then they address the issue. French women are perverts and not the best moral judges so please ignore them!

Calypso, you and your paint brush would fit well on the Trump team.

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#10 Jan 15, 2018 10:21 am

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"Vanni, sexual harassment is an embarrassing situation, I have been through it and had to blackmail my former boss to keep my job."   Kaiso, leh me understand this, so you F$%k  you boss and you used it against him?  Very interesting.

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