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#31 Oct 15, 2018 7:33 pm

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Re: Where do I go?

Real Distwalker wrote:

Everybody in Britain pays for their medical care.  They pay out their asses.  Don't pretend they don't.

The nice thing about the American system is that I get to decide if I want an MRI, not some government bureaucrat.

We pay a pittance compared to your insurance premiums, and at point of service it is the doctor that decides.  But just like your insurance companies can have moratoriums for pre existing conditions Government can decide how deep its pockets are.

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#32 Oct 15, 2018 8:02 pm

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"We pay a pittance compared to your insurance premiums, and at point of service it is the doctor that decides.  But just like your insurance companies can have moratoriums for pre existing conditions Government can decide how deep its pockets are."

I've lived, for many years, in both USA and UK and I've had many experiences with both healthcare systems. I've paid UK taxes, and US insurance premiums. I know many other people, family members, friends and colleagues, who've done the same. From my own experiences, and those of others, the UK system wins, hands down. Yes RD for "people like you" (well-to-do, educated, organized - ie about 30%), the USA system provides excellent healthcare, as it does. But overall, the European system is better, for more of the people.

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#33 Oct 16, 2018 8:15 am

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Yes RD for "people like you" (well-to-do, educated, organized - ie about 30%), the USA system provides excellent healthcare, as it does. But overall, the European system is better, for more of the people.

I suppose that is true. If you are poor, socialized medicine is better.

Having said that, my main beef is when people like Expat who haven't lived in America speak as if they have pity for me because of the American system.  For me - not for everybody - but for me the British system would be a huge step down in quality, choices and immediate access.  I have instant access to every bit of health care the modern world offers and on my terms.  I am not suffering.  My access to quality heath care is as good as that of anyone in the world.

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#34 Oct 16, 2018 8:35 am

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Listen, For awhile there ah was in No mans land, as far as Health insurance goes.  I did not have ah Primary care doctor and all my medical treatment had to be done through Urgent care. When ah finally was able to get ah doctor. I ended up seeing about five specialist. She said ok you did ah EKG and it looks good, but ah need you to see this specialist.  Lord ah got sick of seeing them and ah stop.  The doctor thank me wife for bringing me in and said, that is the way we make our monies.  No matter what ah glad ah in the US for now.  Ah doh know what the hell they do in Grenada, that they call Health care.

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#35 Oct 16, 2018 9:46 am

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"My access to quality heath care is as good as that of anyone in the world." Sadly, such is not true of a substantial minority, perhaps a majority, of your countrymen. And women.

"Ah doh know what the hell they do in Grenada, that they call Health care." You can't compare US and Grenada healthcare, night and day. For us of, ahem, a certain age, that's the biggest drawback to life in Greenz.

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#36 Oct 16, 2018 10:38 am

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According to Gallup, 77 percent of Americans claim they are satisfied with their health care plan and rate it excellent or good.

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https://news.gallup.com/poll/226607/new … hcare.aspx

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#37 Oct 16, 2018 10:43 am

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Meanwhile, back at the health care paradise...

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https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publicatio … n-nhs-2017

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#38 Oct 16, 2018 10:43 am

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So if y'all are so happy with your healthcare why is it the number 1 voter's concern?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpear … 01fd8c3667

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#39 Oct 16, 2018 10:57 am

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Quoting the article to which you linked: "All of these healthcare issues come down to one thing: money."

People don't want to pay for health care.  Nobody wants to pay.  Nobody in Britain wants to pay either.  In Britain, however, the government let's people pretend that health care is "free".  It isn't free.  Brits pay for their health care too.

In other words, Americans think their health care is good or excellent but too expensive.  Brits like their health care less than Americans but are allowed to believe the fiction that it is "free".

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#40 Oct 16, 2018 11:03 am

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Here is the thing about Americans and health care... ask an American about his individual health care situation almost 80% will tell you that his health care status is good or excellent.

Then ask him about the state of American health care over all and he will tell you that the US health care system is in crisis. 

In other words, the vast majority of Americans will tell you they are in great shape but other people are in crisis.  That's because they hear the scare stories in the news.

Most Americans think violent crime is on the rise even though it has been steadily falling since the 1970s.

Most Americans think poverty is on the rise even though it is at an all time low.

Most Americans think there is a teenage pregnancy crisis even though the rate of teenage pregnancies are as low as they have been since the 1960s.

Ask an American and he will tell you that he is in great shape but everyone else is in crisis.   It is bullshit, but that is what he is being told.

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