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#1 Feb 05, 2019 7:58 pm

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Interesting article

Reminds me of some of the topics that have been discussed and debated here on Talkshop. Similar to when we lie about something enough, it becomes the truth.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/pe … most-study

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#2 Feb 06, 2019 7:42 pm

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Well first of all, I am not going to accept that any of the topics were lied about by which ever combatants on TS were involved.

They .... including me.... may have taken and run with incorrect information, but sellng it as you bought is not lying.

I certainly fit in the anti GMO bracket, and I will gladly admit that my own scientific knowledge is limited. However regardless of those that think they are pseudo scientists, the vast majority of the sources I use HAVE done the research, and post the various papers, medical literature, respected university professors, and specialists. as reference points that can be re researched should you so wish.

The same applying to information about vaccinations. Which are now compulsory in the USA unless you can get a waiver. Pharma lining it's pockets aided by politicians who appreciate their contributions.

One interesting thing is the apparent sudden interest and mention of the effects of the micro biome even by the NHS in the UK.  They are catching on, even if they don't seem to really appreciate the full facts, as they are corrupted by Pharma driven falsehoods.

Maybe in another 25 to 50 years medicine will crawl out of the dark ages.

Currently I have 2 nurses visiting. Both with joint issues.... and stories about relatives with obstructed arteries who need stents etc.

Well, in most cases you can repair and rebuild damaged knee and hip joints, discs, clean the arteries and strengthen your immune system using pretty simple techniques, and sensible diets. Or, you can bugger up your liver, kidneys  etc by taking BP tablets, Water Tablets, Statins and NSAIDs. which may make you feel better, as you slide towards La Qua, or destroyed joints.

Want to lower your blood pressure.... well BP is adaptive, if its high you are either in emotion, physical or chemical stress, but you should be able to drop it several points just by sitting quietly and stomach/diaphragm breathing instead of breathing with your rib cage. Watch a baby breath, their belly goes up and down. 132/82  a couple of minutes later after running down the stairs and shouting at the wife it strangely became 126/81. If you have enough clean oxygenated blood in your system, and there are no restrictions then  you have low pressure, if you eat all the KFC's you can manage you have sick sticky blood.... never mind the damaged organs, and you will have high blood pressure.

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#3 Feb 06, 2019 9:16 pm

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Strange that since the invention of the Internet we have all become experts on every subject. We have all become engineers, doctors, scientists, lawyers, politicians etc. It must piss off the real experts.
Really appreciate the health tips that you share Expat.

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#4 Feb 07, 2019 6:45 pm

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I think that very few of us become expert.... probably none of us, but if you are selective, and critical of the wealth of information that is out there, you can in some cases have "some" knowledge that is as good as or better than the current "experts". As we tend due to me to run on things medical, I have utmost respect for the intelligence and good intentions of just about all medical practitioners. But they have been down a production line of education for treating symptoms not the cause.

EG, carpel tunnel syndrome, I think most md's would try some exercises, but you would likely end up having surgery. However it is nearly always the by product of a double crush injury in the neck which then affects the nerves into the hand. Get the neck manipulated to remove the cause, and do some specific simple exercises and 1 to 3 weeks and the problems gone.

Several years ago I would have happily thrown myself at the feet of the doctors without question. However now I have to question or reject vast swathes of what is currently the medical norm.

There are medical reports by prestigious establishments which state categorically that people who DO NOT go to the doctor every year for a check up live longer than people who do. Medical interventions either physical or chemical are killing people.... all done with the best of intentions.

Just the statement you earn  cold if expanded on should give you a clue. advice, take NSAID's to keep down the fever, and vitC to help fight the virus. The first part is BLLocks as you WANT the fever to boost your immune system, the second part is mostly Bllocks simply because by the time you've caught/or earned it its too late.

If already had a healthy immune system you either wouldn't have caught it, or you would have brushed it off in a day. Just like an incident in the family. The little one comes rotten with the cold, Mummy gets it, Granny gets it, even though I have a flaming infection in my eye caused by external bacteria, I only get a slight sniff and it's gone. Within the framework of the available foods I am taking as much bacteria laden, and probiotic food stuffs as possible. Trying as hard as possible to avoid HFCS, and GMO foods, but in a country where America supplies much of what is on the shelves, it aint easy.

I am waiting patiently for a couple of months for my blood and urine revue for my Kidney specialist. Last tiem I had improved to the point of almost being out of the concerned zone. Fingers crossed it is improved yet again. Had I stayed in the UK, and not done my own research..... on the internet, and then via recommended reading materials, I would almost certainly be dead by now.

The book I was reading apart from giving good advice also showed real hospital case studies including the treatments given, which all ran for around 5 years. the graph line ended then because the patient had died.

Where is DON? we could be amigos on health. All those years I thought he was on the right track, but obsessed with Phrama, and now I am in the same place.

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#5 Feb 09, 2019 10:14 pm

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As always, informative stuff Expat.
Retirement in an exotic tropical region is a grand way to spend those well deserved golden years. Beautiful warm sunny days with no pressure of time is the dream of many. But the question will always be, can you survive a medical emergency in that exotic location?
On the other hand, there will always be medical risks in any rural location where people are attracted to hang their hat. Was reading an article the other day about the dangers of living in a high rise condo in the urban areas. Imagine the delay in time when EMS has to get to the 27th. floor during a golden minutes life or death situation. Apparently some elevators can not fit a stretcher. Imagine that, or imagine the medics waiting 10 minutes for an elevator to arrive to the ground floor. Yes, the modern building have no designated elevator for such a situation. The higher up, the less chance of survival of a heart attack. Yet many retiring folks are choosing the view.

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#6 Feb 10, 2019 9:28 am

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The answer is probably no.... but when yu dead yu dead.... That's life   smile

We none of us know whats around the corner it could be a quad bike going like a bat out of hell, and 2 of you dead on spot, or you could slip and break a hip, and waste away, all this stuff happens, but you cannot say I am not going to be an active individual on the off chance you may get bitten by a rabid mongoose or dog.

Here's a thing. Nowadays we proudly boast how the average age of the population is growing year on year, how we are bigger and  fitter than we ever used to be etc. Some people even claim their health system is the best in the World, when peer papers actually tell us that those who attend an annual check up have a higher mortality rate than those that stay away from the doctor. There's a clue in there if you look.

Most of this is cobblers. First of all if you have high child mortality then you can have lots of people living to 80's and even into the hundreds, yet the average age may well end up at 35 or 45. We in the 1st World nowadays have much less child mortality... Although with the C section causing babies not to have their immune system kick started by picking up Mums flora on the way out, they are immune system compromised, and are much more likely to end up with these autoimmune system illnesses created by the toxic world we now live in.

Historical writing tell us that those that did not take part in battles, or live on the edges of society lived to very old ages. Archeological evidence... (maybe the wrong discipline)?  show us that some of the very ancient fossils, or human remnants were of people equally as tall as we are now.

What happened in the 10,000 years or so in between then and now is the cultivation of grain.... never mind GMO's, simple grains which although they fill our bellies are not utilised efficiently by the body, and we actually shrank as a race before this latter stage where better sanitation, varied diets etc have allowed us to regrow back to where we were.

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#7 Feb 10, 2019 10:21 am

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“So, the obvious thing we should try to do is educate people,”

Love that!

First question: how reliable and honest are the studies?

Got to hear about the "fake news" war? So how many alternative studies and news about GMO, its real purpose and and its actual effects have been hastily shoved under the rug?

But even without anyone thinking for us: could it be that something in us, despite our "ignorance", knows better? Even better than those who want to know better than us? What are the interests?

So, of which studies are we talking? Because there are other studies, which need a bit more of research because of the above mentioned "fake news war" which confirm the foundation of still enough people's natural aversion for genetically modified food.

Continuing:

Who is behind GMO?

In what spirit has food been modified?

What is the true purpose of its modification?

Will scientists and their scientific studies ever care about these fundamental questions?

But those among us who keep feeling that GMO food is not, at least in its present approach and form, springing from a good intention, nor does it have positive effects on us, nor on animals - and how about the consequences for nature when it is being seeded into other plants? Nor even is it indispensable to our survival ... need "education".

Sure ... that looks a lot like good intention to me smile

"Educate" us again please, or/and call us donkeys, those of us who keep feeling ill at ease toward GMO.

Truth will talk, maybe sooner than we may expect it. And Truth will be first about a group of people, who think it's their right to own life and its living beings, humanity including.

This alone is good enough for me to put things into place.

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#8 Feb 10, 2019 10:52 am

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houston wrote:

Strange that since the invention of the Internet we have all become experts on every subject. We have all become engineers, doctors, scientists, lawyers, politicians etc. It must piss off the real experts.
Really appreciate the health tips that you share Expat.

It's a very delicate distinction to do between mental knowledge and something I am calling our inner guidance. It is not easy to distinguish and wisely combine both. It's something to cherish and to cultivate, which requests fundamental honesty on our behalf. The last word, though, I am allowing myself to give it to my inner guidance, even over the "real experts"' one.

There is presently a vast corruption going on, with interests we may not comprehend.

And I would not trust anyone as the holder of the ultimate truth. There is too much manipulation, too much propaganda, too much intentional or unintentional mixing of some truth with some untruth.

If we care to listen to the official "truth", then let us have a taste of alternative one, which we need to hand-pick as coming from honest people, among the heap of further emotional outbursts and lack of objectivity, for others fighting in their turn for their own advantage. But this "something" in us would hopefully be able to distinguish.

While I am questioning GMO because of the initial intention and spirit and methods in which it is being done, I am on the other hand loving what generations of selective breeding in plants - and sometimes in animals, provided it keeps their dignity - has brought to us.

Let us understand that the spirit and way in which this selection and breeding have been done in the more natural method, cannot compare to the GMO process:

it leaves the vital space for Life. With Its own Wisdom and ... yes I name it:

Love!

This is at the core of both approaches, in my humble opinion.

In the "antique" ways it is being involved. In GMO, it is not.

And this is a world of difference. And no "expert" would ever take this into consideration.

Love was at the origin of Life. God is basically Conscious Love. Any procedure where Love - or God - is not involved, is one which

a) does not spring from good intention,
b) is not done in the appropriate spirit, and
c) consequently can not have positive impact on Life - thus ultimately has detrimental effects.

Love. Once we understand that this is the origin - and outcome - of all that is, we understand that only where it is, Life can be.

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#9 Feb 10, 2019 11:41 am

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houston wrote:

Reminds me of some of the topics that have been discussed and debated here on Talkshop. Similar to when we lie about something enough, it becomes the truth.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/pe … most-study

Scientists are going to focus on the brain. And by this means, it's so easy and cheap to depreciate someone as an idiot.

Yes, it can happen to any of us - and some are quite good at it - to blow basically some hot and not-so-nice-smelling air. But this does not imply that the baby has to be spilled with the bathwater.

At the core of even a "dull brain" (if at all) there can be a bright heart. One does not always make up for the other.

But:

without the heart, the brain is worthless! Worthless!

This, dear friends, we are going to get to understand probably still within our lifetime.

With all the implications of all the trickery used to make us think that we have to unconditionally accept the dictates of those, with their ulterior motives, who are self-appointing themselves as knowledgeable for us and in our place. Not speaking as much of the scientists, as of those who are hiding behind them.

There are truly knowledgeable and caring doctors and scientists, and I am celebrating them. Thanks to them I and so many are not just alive, but living in the best possible conditions. So much of science to praise. But we need to be discerning! We may or may not be aware of it:

right now, a fierce war is going on.

So let us find our heart/love/god
(I am more comfortable with principles, so love will do it for me)
let us involve It in our life
and let us trust It

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#10 Feb 10, 2019 6:56 pm

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Without the heart, the brain is worthless!...I like that Vanni, good questions btw.

We all have a certain duty or responsibility to do our research on anything that effects us. Problem being, when we ask ten different people a certain question we tend to get ten different answers these days. That's when personal instincts need to take over.

Do I trust scientific research funded by Monsanto? No
Do I trust non biased research that is studied to improve human life with no political gain? Yes.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/20 … millennia/

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