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#1 Feb 15, 2019 12:49 am

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Is there no end to the things Bristish should be ashamed of

Just watched a movie    "Hurricane"

About the Polish assistance during WW2 where they came as fighter pilots.

The 303 squadron which was the highest scoring squadron in the British airforce, and made a tremendous difference to the Battle of Britain over the skies of the UK.

Yet, after the war 65% of the British public wanted them repatriated... into an oppressive Russian controlled country where they were discriminated against, imprisoned and murdered.

We are not the only ones to do sheite like that, but it's a damn disgrace.

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#2 Feb 15, 2019 8:41 am

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Re: Is there no end to the things Bristish should be ashamed of

True. And don't even talk about the Indian famine caused by Churchill, because he wanted to stockpile grains in case the UK would need them.

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#3 Feb 15, 2019 6:29 pm

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Suffer poor Poland.  Straight from the Nazi jackboot to the Soviet jackboot.

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#4 Feb 15, 2019 6:50 pm

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True. And don't even talk about the Indian famine caused by Churchill, because he wanted to stockpile grains in case the UK would need them.

Hadn't even heard of it, but just from the Wiki info that sounds like an over simplification.  It would seem that Churchill's War time policies may have exacerbated the problem, but that the region was in a deplorable state before that. I suspect as much as pardon the expression "insurance breeding" where families have large numbers of children to allow for high infant mortality while trying to have enough children reach maturity to support the parents into old age.... Too many mouths to feed with a stable but unsatisfactory crop yield, illness endemic, and then artificially created shortages.

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The Bengal famine of 1943 (Bengali: pañcāśēra manvantara) was a major famine in the Bengal province in British India during World War II. An estimated 2.1–3 million,out of a population of 60.3 million, died of starvation, malaria and other diseases aggravated by malnutrition, population displacement, unsanitary conditions and lack of health care. Millions were impoverished as the crisis overwhelmed large segments of the economy and social fabric. Historians have frequently characterised the famine as "man-made", asserting that wartime colonial policies created and then exacerbated the crisis. A minority view holds that the famine arose from natural causes.

Bengal's economy was predominantly agrarian. In the years before the famine, between half and three quarters of the rural poor were living in a "semi-starved condition". Stagnant agricultural productivity and a stable land base were inadequate for the soaring population levels, resulting in both a long-term decline in the per capita availability of rice and growing numbers of land-poor or landless laborers. A large percentage also laboured beneath a chronic and spiraling cycle of debt that ended in debt bondage and loss of landholdings due to land grabbing. More proximate causes of the crisis involved large-scale natural disasters in southwestern Bengal and consequences of the war. Military buildup and financing sparked war-time inflation, while land was appropriated from thousands of Bengalis. Following the Japanese occupation of Burma (modern Myanmar) rice imports were lost, then much of Bengal's market supplies and transport systems were disrupted by British "denial policies" for rice and boats (a "scorched earth" response to the occupation). The British government also pursued prioritised distribution of vital supplies to the military, civil servants and other "priority classes". These factors were compounded by restricted access to grain: domestic sources were constrained by emergency inter-provincial trade barriers, while access to international sources was largely denied by Churchill's War Cabinet, arguably due to a wartime shortage of shipping. The relative impact of each of these contributing factors to the death toll and economic devastation is an ongoing matter of controversy.

The provincial government's policy failures began with denial that a famine existed. Humanitarian aid was ineffective through the worst months of the food crisis, and the government never formally declared a state of famine. It first attempted to influence the price of rice paddy (unmilled rice) through price controls. These measures created a black market and encouraged sellers to withhold stocks. Hyperinflation resulted from speculation and hoarding after controls were abandoned. Aid increased significantly when the Indian Army took control of aid in October 1943, but effective relief arrived only after a record rice harvest that December. Deaths from starvation began to decline, but over half the famine-related deaths occurred in 1944, after the food security crisis had abated, as a result of disease

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#5 Feb 16, 2019 9:31 pm

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Okay granted, there was more than enough blame to apportion. But think Dresden bombings, Indian Mutiny, Opium Wars, Nagasaki - there's plenty more examples of historical crimes committed by the powerful against the powerless.

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#6 Feb 17, 2019 1:23 pm

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Just watched a movie    "Hurricane"

About the Polish assistance during WW2 where they came as fighter pilots.

The 303 squadron which was the highest scoring squadron in the British airforce, and made a tremendous difference to the Battle of Britain over the skies of the UK.

Yet, after the war 65% of the British public wanted them repatriated... into an oppressive Russian controlled country where they were discriminated against, imprisoned and murdered.

We are not the only ones to do sheite like that, but it's a damn disgrace.


Look at the terrible conditions the black soldiers returned to America to deal with. The defended their country and put their lives out on the line. "Great Britain thought that they were superior to all other European nations. Look at how they treated the French during their occupation in Quebec. Horrible! It's about who is superior and who is inferior.

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#7 Feb 17, 2019 3:31 pm

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Okay granted, there was more than enough blame to apportion. But think Dresden bombings, Indian Mutiny, Opium Wars, Nagasaki - there's plenty more examples of historical crimes committed by the powerful against the powerless.


Huh?  The Dresden bombings?  against the powerless?

Maybe you didn't notice what the Blitzkrieg did to most of the major cities in Britain? I don't think the intention was to create the firestorm that occurred, but play with fire don't be surprised if you get burnt.

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#8 Feb 17, 2019 3:52 pm

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On a freezing cold 30 January 1965, our dad dragged us to the South Bank (that's of the Thames to you Yanks, which is called Tems, not THAmes), to watch Churchill's huge lead-lined coffin being loaded onto a barge to be taken upriver. The Royal Artillery fired a 19-gun salute and the RAF staged a fly-by of fighter planes, that was about the high point of the day for us kids. I remember our father being very emotional, he'd worked in Manchester during the war in the armaments industry (making Lancaster Bombers no less), and was part of the war generation to whom Churchill was a hero. And rightfully so. Yeah Dresden was a bit of overkill at the end but the bastards had it coming.

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#9 Feb 17, 2019 5:02 pm

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I pity the Germans of the bombed cities and those raped and abused by the Soviets but the blame lies with the German leadership. They brought the horror of war to the world twice in the 20th century.

So I got a DNA test for Christmas.  I have been telling you all that I am mostly Czech.  I know for certain that my ancestors came from Bohemia.  If the DNA test is to be trusted, however, my ancestors were Germanic people living in Bohemia rather than Slavs. 

It is a bit of a shock to discover that what you have always thought you were isn't so.  It is especially true you have no love of Germans or Germany.

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#10 Feb 17, 2019 6:43 pm

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On a freezing cold 30 January 1965, our dad dragged us to the South Bank (that's of the Thames to you Yanks, which is called Tems, not THAmes), to watch Churchill's huge lead-lined coffin being loaded onto a barge to be taken upriver. The Royal Artillery fired a 19-gun salute and the RAF staged a fly-by of fighter planes, that was about the high point of the day for us kids. I remember our father being very emotional, he'd worked in Manchester during the war in the armaments industry (making Lancaster Bombers no less), and was part of the war generation to whom Churchill was a hero. And rightfully so. Yeah Dresden was a bit of overkill at the end but the bastards had it coming.


What a numptie. I watched in solemn awe with Dimbleby's voice over in black and white in the comfort of our front room.

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