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#1 Feb 04, 2020 4:26 pm

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Just the last 20 alphabetical names of the Revo detainees

The whole list would be far too long for this:

559.    Victor, Teddy; Vincennes, St. David’s; former JEWEL member; founding member of the New Jewel Movement; People’s Revolutionary Army; farmer; official prison entry date 15 OCT 1979; no detention order; charged before the Court with possession of explosive substance (S.6 Terrorism (Prevention) Law; unlawful possession of a firearm; at end of 2 year sentence, Teddy Victor remained detained as of 2 JUN 1983; person considered dangerous and a threat to national security including public safety and public order; comprised of persons who either have been engaged in activities of a subversive and counter-revolutionary nature or who have been closely associated with such persons; exited from Richmond Hill prison 27 OCT 1983; 1988 Recommendation of the Claims Commission; full or partial claim received. Died 10 APR 2008
560.    Viechweg, Arthur; official prison entry date 9 JUL 1979; released the same day
561.    Vincent, David; Gouyave, St. John’s; official prison entry date 17 APR 1979; released 20 APR 1979
562.    Vincent, Errol; Gouyave, St. John’s; official prison entry date 14 OCT 1979; no detention order; released 24 DEC 1979
563.    Walker, Norris; Tivoli, St. Andrew’s; Rastafarian; Central Water Commission manual worker; detained in connection with investigations into the production and trafficking of Marijuana; held in the interest of national security, public safety and public order; official prison entry date 8 MAY 1980; person considered not dangerous and posed no threat to national security, etc.; comprised of persons who have been indulging in the use and production of prohibited drugs or who are common criminals specializing in house breaking, larceny and other crimes of that nature; other investigations do not indicate any involvement in subversive or counter-revolutionary activities; released 16 DEC 1982; 1988 Recommendation of the Claims Commission; full or partial claim received
564.    Wells, Claribella “Clarie”; Top Hill, St. Patrick’s; shopkeeper; common law wife of Russell Budhlall; charged with failure to report wanted men; official prison entry date 4 JUL 1980; transferred 30 OCT 1980 from Fort Royal to the Women's Section at Richmond Hill Prison; person considered less dangerous and pose little threat to national security, etc. comprised of persons who have been involved at one level or were indirectly associated with elements of subversion and counter-revolution; investigations fail to establish linkage with activities Budhlalls were engaged in; during her incarceration her physical and mental condition deteriorated with often visits to the Psychiatric Hospital for observation; three children; no evidence to lay charges; released 16 DEC 1982; 1988 Recommendation of the Claims Commission; full or partial claim received
565.    Wells, Lloyd; Mt. Rose, St. Patrick’s; two (2) years detention
566.    Whyte, Charles C.; St. George’s; Sergeant; RGPF; official prison entry date 13 MAR 1979; released 10 NOV 1979
567.    Whyte, Graves; Sauteurs, St. Patrick’s’ brother of detainee Winston Whyte; official prison entry date 23 AUG 1979; released 14 OCT 1979
568.    Whyte, Winston Michael; Grand Anse, St. George's; insurance consultant; former member of Parliament, United People’s Party [UPP]; brother of detainee Graves Whyte; charged with complicity in OCT 1979 plot; no detention order; official prison entry date 15 OCT 1979; person considered dangerous and a threat to national security including public safety and public order; comprised of persons who either have been engaged in activities of a subversive and counter-revolutionary nature or who have been closely association with such persons; torture claims; exited Richmond Hill prison 27 OCT 1983; 1988 Recommendation of the Claims Commission; full or partial claim received - poem From Whyte’s book “Burning Embers, or the Poems of a Prisoner: is this verse from the poem titled: "15.10.83-Four Years”:
569.    Four years in which the fiery soul of terrorists’ slander Conspired with the gullible and the wanton; the gossip and the hangman; Like the anxious bellows of a smithy, ancient and royal Responding to the master’s racing heart and the king’s infallible sea!
570.    Williams, A.; official prison entry date 15 MAR 1970; discharged
571.    Williams, Francis, LaPoterie, St. Andrew’s; official prison entry date 22 JUN 1980 at Central Police Station, Ft. Rupert; transferred 12 OCT 1981 to Hope Vale; held in the interest of national security, public safety and public order; dangerous drugs; person considered less dangerous and pose little threat to national security, etc. comprised of persons who have been involved at one level or were indirectly associated with elements of subversion and counter-revolution; indicator of continued incarceration from 31 May 1983 political prisoner list; 1988 Recommendation of the Claims Commission; full or partial claim received
572.    Williams, Godfrey; LaPoterie, St. Andrew’s; Grenada Defense Force; People’s Revolutionary Army; held in the interest of national security, public safety and public order; official prison entry date 10 MAY 1980 at Central Police Station; Ft. Rupert; transferred to Richmond Hill prison 22 JUN 1980; person considered less dangerous and pose little threat to national security, etc. comprised of persons who have been involved at one level or were indirectly associated with elements of subversion and counter-revolution; exited from Richmond Hill prison 27 OCT 1983; 1988 Recommendation of the Claims Commission; full or partial claim received
573.    Williams, Kenneth “Ras Blacks”; Hermitage, St. Patrick’s; farmer; official prison entry date 26 JUN 1981; transferred to Hope Vale 29 JUN 1981; person considered not dangerous and posed no threat to national security, etc.; comprised of persons who have been indulging in the use and production of prohibited drugs or who are common criminals specializing in house breaking, larceny and other crimes of that nature; released 27 MAR (sic) 1983; 1988 Recommendation of the Claims Commission; full or partial claim received
574.    Williams, Lawrence; Grand Roy, St. John’s; official prison entry date 12 JUL 1981; transferred to Hope Vale; person considered not dangerous and posed no threat to national security, etc.; comprised of persons who have been indulging in the use and production of prohibited drugs or who are common criminals specializing in house breaking, larceny and other crimes of that nature; unknown release date
575.    Williams, M. or Peter; St. George’s; Sergeant #59; RGPF; official prison entry date 13 MAR 1979; released 24 APR 1979
576.    Williams, Philmore “Mucmin”; Conference, St. Andrew’s; held in the interest of national security, public safety and public order; official prison entry date 18 NOV 1980 at Central Police Station, Ft. Rupert; transferred 8 JAN 1981 to Richmond Hill prison; released 31 DEC 1981
577.    Williams, S.; official prison entry date 16 MAR 1979; released 17 MAR 1979
578.    Wint, L.; official prison entry date 13 MAR 1979; released 15 MAR 1979

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#2 Feb 04, 2020 4:40 pm

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Re: Just the last 20 alphabetical names of the Revo detainees

Wow!  That's a lot for a tiny nation.

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#3 Feb 04, 2020 4:48 pm

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I was in the UK for the Revo and like most young people was all for it: Maurice was charismatic and leftist, what's not to like? But the more I learned, the more I learned that he was a pretty hopeless leader in fact, and couldn't control the forces that had real power. Heavy manners, beatings, tortures and deaths, thank god those days are ended!

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#4 Feb 04, 2020 5:07 pm

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Don't blame Bishop.  Nobody should have dictatorial power because no one can keep it under control.  Unless a man is an angel, dictatorial power will corrupt him... and no man is an angel.

“If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and the next place, oblige it to control itself.”

― James Madison

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#5 Feb 04, 2020 11:17 pm

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NH, while any fair and free-thinking person, in this case Grenadian, should acknowledge that there were many problems with the Revolutionary period in our history, your statement about "Heavy manners, beatings, tortures and deaths" gives the impression that there was wholesale chaos at home during the period in question. But, to do so is highly irresponsible. For example, it is better to have provided  actual numbers -- especially the number of deaths -- to give a more accurate account of what transpired and therefore be fair to everyone.

You also concluded "thank god those days are ended!" which reinforced your unfair characterization of the Revolution. A balanced commentary on the period would have mentioned the gains from the Revolution. If you did, one could reasonably be hard-pressed to say that the Revolution was all 'bloody' negative and nothing else.

Let's be careful with what we write and say because I doubt that any of us wish to be wrongly labeled. Fairness is a virtue to which we should all aspire . . . build and advance as ONE PEOPLE. (I chose those last seven words very deliberately, paraphrasing somewhat, and I suspect that you and other Grenadians on this forum would recognize them.)

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#6 Feb 05, 2020 9:33 am

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My statements were never meant to be "objective"; they express my opinion, which changed, radically. I was very present in Grenada in the years following the Revo and got many many first hand accounts of what transpired during that time. It's nothing like the popular narrative that existed at the time, outside of Grenada. You had all the apparatus of a Communist state: Politburo, Central Committee, NLA - in a tiny island of 100,000 people! It was ludicrous. Marching up and down the place, slogans, detention without trial, a very repressive regime.

Alistair Hughes, an elderly, intelligent, urbane gem of a reporter, who was beaten up by the Mongoose Gang, only to be detained by the Revo, locked up, for daring to tell the truth. Per capita, Grenada was the most militarized country on earth, warehouses full of guns, armoured personnel carriers, howitzers - what we want all that for?

I don't have to be careful; I say what I think. When you hear the stories, talk to the survivors, when you see where it all happened, you search for some rationalization for the horror that took place. But you can't find any. How could such barbarism erupt in an island like Grenada?

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#7 Feb 05, 2020 10:11 am

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BTW did you notice the last number on that list? It was 578, that means 578 people - at least - locked up at Richmond Hill without trial, in less than 4 years. Over 100 people every year, sent for heavy manners. You think it nice up there? What kind of government locks up its people without trial? A totalitarian one. No sir, I'm unrepentant: thank god that all ended.

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#8 Feb 05, 2020 11:03 am

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Jeez, New Historian, wonder where you got those names and the detail descriptions.

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#9 Feb 05, 2020 11:07 am

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piratejenny wrote:

Jeez, New Historian, wonder where you got those names and the detail descriptions.


My apologies for not posting the source:

https://www.thegrenadarevolutiononline.com/page9a.html

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#10 Feb 05, 2020 12:21 pm

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Those names or most ah din know.  Not sure what ah missed here, but Winston White is on that list. Winston White? Pirate Jenny, please tell about White.  Very hard to believe that White is on that list.

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