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#1 Jul 25, 2020 11:44 am

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SOooooo much of this Covid is a contrivance

The more I see investigative journalism not paid for by Big Pharma, ie. mainstream media. The more I realise what a con so much of this is.

Firstly, hospitals get around 14,000 dollars for every patient that is positive., and 29,000 for every patient that gets put on a ventilator..... can you see where this is going?

Hell I even see people who went for tests but couldn't be bothered to wait in line found they were listed as positive... even though they never had the test, and under contact tracing swathes of the population are marked as being positive simply because they come within a radius, without ever being tested.

Then the rulings for how Death Certificates has been amended. It used to be the primary cause up top, followed by contributory factors. I might get the word slightly wrong, but I am pretty sure I read Covid was to be the primary cause of death even if it is only ASSUMED.... ie. not known. So you can have a long standing heart condition, congestive heart failure, pneumonia, god knows what else, but if you just got a touch of Covid, and it was the last straw. Covid is listed as the primary cause of death. Totally against normal medical procedures.

Then in the UK, once you are tested and positive, it doesn't matter what you die of it is Covid listed as cause of death. No exaggeration, if you get run down by a bus, 3 months after the test, it was Covid on your death certificate.

In America someone died in a car crash after testing positive, when the relatives kicked up about the cause of death the authorities tried to say the accident "might" have happened because of the virus. That took 2 days of legal haggling, but it got overturned.

There are apparently 5 bands of pandemic, with the 1918 being a 5, and the common cold/flue being a 1, with varying levels of mortality attributed to them. If the stats which are being down graded by some states as they realise it is causing a false image of what is going on were applied after taking off roughly half the cases which is probably right, Covid19 would only be a category 2 which means go about your daily business, but be careful, and if you are high risk stay at home

People over 65 have a recorded death rate of 1 per 500. Just walking the street has a death rate expectancy of 1 per 540. 80% of the deaths are in people over 65.

When you are in the 45 to 64 level it is more like 1 per 2,500

25-44 age group 1 per 16,666

0-24 age group is 1 per 250,000

Those figures are based on official stats without adjusting for miss-recording, so the number of people with the potential for dying is drastically less than those figure stated.

This thing even without poor medical practices is killing people, but probably no worse than the flue, if they don't stick you on a ventilator and screw up your lungs and cause organ failure. In America especially in that hospital in New York it seems like money was the primary cause of people being killed by being put on ventilators, in the UK, I just think they were as thick as shit for a while, as there was no financial advantage in putting people on a respirator, but they were just following the actions of the Americans.

Finally this whole antigen thing is mostly bollocks, slowly but surely science is waking up to the primary defense being T cells. Where medical professionals should be going is to improve immune response, not a vaccine which lets face it if you don't have extended immunity after having the virus what bloody use is an introduced semi derad virus going to do.  The whole thing is a money spinner for Big Pharma.

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#2 Jul 25, 2020 1:39 pm

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I keep reading that the antibodies disappear after a few months.  To that I say: "No shit Sherlock."  Antibodies always diminish.  I had chickenpox as a kid but there are no detectable chickenpox antibodies in my system.  I am still immune to chickenpox.

Why?  I have T-cells and memory B-cells. These cells create the antibody response. After a month or so, the antibodies start to diminish but memory T-cells and B-cells are still there. When you are exposed to the virus a second time, T-cells will recognize the chickenpox virus (or coronavirus) and respond by inducing B-Cells to make proteins called "antibodies" that make you immune. The antibodies in your system will be created again and again and you will not get sick.

In other words it doesn't matter if your antibody response is diminished after being sick or getting a vaccine. Memory B cells can survive for decades and repeatedly generate an accelerated and robust antibody-mediated immune response in the case of re-infection
I don't know why this gets ignored.

For some infections, memory B-cells last a lifetime. Think chicken pox. For others, it isn't as long. There is no evidence, however, that memory B-cells won't last at least several years in SARS type infection. Worst case scenario? You have to get a booster vaccine every three to five years.

Yet I keep reading articles telling us that the antibodies disappear quickly and we will be open to reinfection!  Why do they keep saying this?

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#3 Jul 27, 2020 8:20 am

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Lord PADNAH, You are ah conspiracy theorist.  Doh get me wrong, I believe in some of your stuff,  I think you help me with what ah was going through; although, too early to tell, but you make some massive leaps sometimes.

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#4 Jul 27, 2020 9:04 am

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Slice wrote:

Lord PADNAH, You are ah conspiracy theorist.  Doh get me wrong, I believe in some of your stuff,  I think you help me with what ah was going through; although, too early to tell, but you make some massive leaps sometimes.


Dude, if you understood what RD wrote, much of it aligns with what I just said about T Cells, etc, so you are going to dare challenge RD? Better not.

My friend, you only seem to follow main streem news, which is so heavily geared to Big Pharma, as they are paying the bills, that all you are getting is the latest info that fills the big labs pockets. In the mean time Bill Gates are off in Africa and India trialing vaccines that have a significant female child mortality rate, and probably infertility rate, and you haven't got a clue.

I used to think Bill Gates was a magnanimous benefactor with his billions.... Bollocks.

Many of the conspiracy theories would pop up, and I would say utter nonsense, but even though there are some really silly ideas out there, if you see enough items of news that are not from the main stream, and you see enough World famous Doctors, Scientists etc, who are not tied to big pharma, or have a conscience you will see many of those theories are based in fact.

But you do have to get up off your lardy arse and do some research on a site other than a porn site.

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#5 Jul 27, 2020 3:20 pm

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Wait so because RD agree with you, that do not mean I agree also.  Look, all states that have COVID now the death rate is going to be much less that New  York and Washington, thanks to Big Pharma.

Me ent saying they they are all good, but they help sometimes.  Yep they almost killed me, but they save ah bunch ah folks.  Yes I do not only visit Porn sites, I do some research. I think I also diagnose myself with something else.  Since ah stop eating Gluten, ah start feeling much, much better.  Now they say, once to stop your gluten intake, in about one year, you should be able to tolerate lactose.

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#6 Jul 27, 2020 7:18 pm

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The first statement is Bollocks, I haven't read the second one yet. The death rate is going down for 2 main reasons 1 they have stopped killing people by putting them on ventilators at the drop of a hat, and the infection rate is now mainly among younger people who have a better survival rate and 3rd even in Northern areas like New York they have actually killed enough and infected enough to be almost at herd immunity. Southern States have to kill and infect enough to reach that plateau, they will soon get there. Big Pharma has bugger all to do with it. If for once in his life an idea that Trump jumped on had been adopted the death rate would have been much lower. The use of Hydrocloroquine (sp) Zinc, and a, antibiotic I can't remember the death rate would have been slashed. But Big Pharma doesn't want you to have a course of treatment that is pretty effective even maybe 50% better in severe cases, and only costs $20.00 a course of treatment for a patient. Why is it so cheap, it is old and off patent.

No they want you to buy a less effective treatment that costs $6000.00 per patient. I wonder why?

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#7 Jul 27, 2020 7:41 pm

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Slice wrote:

Wait so because RD agree with you, that do not mean I agree also.  Look, all states that have COVID now the death rate is going to be much less that New  York and Washington, thanks to Big Pharma.

Me ent saying they they are all good, but they help sometimes.  Yep they almost killed me, but they save ah bunch ah folks.  Yes I do not only visit Porn sites, I do some research. I think I also diagnose myself with something else.  Since ah stop eating Gluten, ah start feeling much, much better.  Now they say, once to stop your gluten intake, in about one year, you should be able to tolerate lactose.

On to statement 2.

So on record an open admission ... LoL.... Oh Slicey... SMH.

As you know I had a very bad case of food poisoning, it's been covered in the other post.

Today as the pain caused in my kidney was intense, I figured a trip to the doctor was slightly sensible.

After a check over, and deciding my stats were probably those of the healthiest person on the planet he prescribed an antibiotic to take care of a couple of issues both directly and indirectly connected the food poisoning. Ciprofloxacin.

Now as I have to have some tests done soon, and it would be nice to get some issues ended I was prepared against my dislike of medicines especially antibiotics to take it. So off I trotted to the pharmacy and forked out me $30.00 to get it.

When I got home I did a quick medicine check, and immediately the first site issues a very long list of warnings, not oh some people might experience this and that minor side effect, it was straight into warnings. And I didn't like any of them. Quite a few that would be applicable to me.

So I sent a message to the doc saying thanks but no thanks for that medicine, and he darts back, its safe, no issues..... Then I look back at the long list including aorta damage that could cause bleeds and even death, Mental issues including self harming/suicide, tearing tendons, damage to this that and the other, and I thought, hang on, if this is safe, I'd really like to know what dangerous looks like.  If this happens... contact your doctor immediately, if that happens etc.  Safe... right.

So, I have it, and if push comes to shove I will use it, but I'll definitely persist with the maybe less rapid, but no side effect version I was already using that has minimised some of the symptoms already.

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