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#11 May 30, 2017 4:22 pm

Real Distwalker
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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

New Historian wrote:

Rather that any day than thieving insurance companies...

Companies aren't thieves, humans are.  The only difference between the humans in government and the humans in companies is the manner in which they go about their thievery.

At least insurance companies, unlike government, aren't given the naive presumption of non-thievery. smile

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#12 May 30, 2017 4:35 pm

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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

Africa? Never touched the place, honest Guv!!
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#13 May 30, 2017 4:46 pm

Slice
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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

Very interesting topic, but ah really doh know  in America, who will pay for what.  Lets put it this way, America has ah bunch ah poor folks and lord because ah work with them sometimes, I really does feel sorry for them.  Sometimes ah does wonder and see their hatred for me.  In some cases ah really doh blame them.

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#14 May 30, 2017 4:48 pm

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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

"The only difference between the humans in government and the humans in companies is the manner in which they go about their thievery."

Not so. Companies "thieve" legally through profit maximization, just look at Big Pharma.

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#15 May 30, 2017 4:56 pm

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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

Government 'thieves' through incompetence, waste, sloth and inefficiency.  It also thieves through malinvestment and politicized redistribution in exchange for patronage. 

I would argue that thievery of this nature absolutely, positively dwarfs that of companies. 

Whatever the case, nothing straight will ever be built from the crooked timber of humanity; there is no use pretending.

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#16 May 30, 2017 10:36 pm

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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

"I would argue that thievery of this nature absolutely, positively dwarfs that of companies."

How can that be so in your country, where the government is but a small percentage of economic activity? You just hate every single solitary cent of wasted public money - YOUR taxes! - and yet are quite willing to turn a blind eye to the people who are really screwing you - your bosses, the Trumps of your world, who you elected, to screw you some more, while laughing, all the way, to the bank.

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#17 May 31, 2017 9:06 am

Real Distwalker
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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

Yeah, I don't think so.   All wealth is created in the private sector.  It creates trillions of dollars of wealth year in and year out.  That is net gain.   If someone gives me $100 and then screws me out of $1, I am not too pissed. It's when they take $100 and give me $1 that I get mad.  The government is a 100 percent expense item.  It is all cost.

Net net, the biggest thief is the government... by far.

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#18 May 31, 2017 9:42 am

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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

I would propose that until maybe 10 - 15 years ago British healthcare would have been a practical, and effective form of care which was appropriate for 90% of the populace, allowing those with money to waste to go private..... and be seen by exactly the same specialists..... just in a shorter period of time.

Regrettably due to an influx of financial immigrants many of whom will come and work... probably be recipients of cash payments, and then head back to their motherland pockets stuffed full of GBP Having possibly had their children at the UK's expense, and their TB sorted out etc etc... plus the health service which has been tinkered with by managers from outside the industry who had no real perception of what hands on health care is have ballsed it up, aided by lack of investment, plus fancy new scanners and other incomprehensibly expensive equipment. Loss of key figures in hospitals like Matrons, changes in care procedures turning nurses into book keepers, and outsourcing of fundamentals like cleaning. The health service is now the basket case you would insist public healthcare would be..... But it wasn't so, and didn't need to be.

Privately run insurance compared to public NI insurance is a completely different animal, and having used both, I would rather the State version run properly, for all.... allowing that your arthroscope may take 6 weeks to do rather than 2 days, than have an industry populated by clinicians whose chief concern is how much they will make out of your procedure.

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#19 May 31, 2017 10:10 am

Slice
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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

So you are saying, the  government insurance is much better than private?  If that is what you are saying RD, won't be happy.  To RD the less government the better.  I also think, that is the Main reason we have Obama care.

Private insurance was ah total rip off.  If you are too sick, they kick you out, and if you have ah preexisting condition, you can't get insurance.

Doh get me wrong I am tired of taking care of other folks, who do not to work, but stay home and make babies, but the government should lend ah helping hand, only when necessary.

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#20 May 31, 2017 10:28 am

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Re: If the Manchester bombing had happened in the USA.....

Most Americans are happy with the American insurance system.  Prior to Obamacare the satisfaction rate was 75 to 80 percent.   I don't have any real complaints.   I have always had instant access to world class healthcare.

There is also universal health care for the poor in the form of Medicaid.  There are gaps, for sure, however.  About 10 percent of any population can't find their asses with both hands and they fail to manage it.  They fall through the cracks. 

Ten percent of a nation of 330 million people amounts to 33 million.  That is no small number and that is where virtually all the problem with the American system lies.

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