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#11 May 19, 2019 5:29 pm

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Re: There is plastic at the bottom of the Mariana Trench

Real Distwalker wrote:

Again, I am about as green as I can be.  My wife takes reusable bags to the grocer.   That said, if you and I never used anything made of plastic again, it wouldn't make a lick of difference to the amount of plastic in the ocean.  None.  This isn't my opinion.  This is a metaphysical certitude.  Give up on the magical thinking.


Obtuse springs to mind.

Obviously we could put on sack cloth wander around flagellating and mumbling save the World and the plastic that is already in the Oceans will still be there.

However, and paradoxically you seem to be doing the right things with all the aspects we are discussing, yet don't seem to think it makes a difference.

What will make a difference is not magical, it is a process of changing mindset, whether it be of funny people far away, or your neighbours.

There are already people out there who have a charitable business cleaning beaches and water ways. Somebody is doing it it. They didn't say owww it's already there so it's a lost cause.

Sometimes all it takes is some dreamer to raise the issue on Talkshop for someone else to put something into action. Or maybe throwing some cash at an organisation to do the dirty work for us.

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#12 May 20, 2019 10:49 am

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Look, I do my part but I am not delusional enough to believe that anything I do is going to affect the global climate.  I do my part because it feels good.  I know for certain that my impact is so small that it is scientifically indistinguishable from zero.  This isn't my opinion.  This is a fact.

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#13 May 21, 2019 7:43 am

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Then there is part that government  ask folks to recycle, and like ah dummy ah recycle.  Now they saying that the recycle places cant keep up; so, you recycling stuff is now turning to trash.

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#14 May 21, 2019 10:57 am

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No Vanni ,   do not put your faith in RD.
RD'S idea about going green  ... is ...

> my wife takes reusable bags to the grocer . <

Just tell RD to get with the program or leave the planet.

Jeezzzz. lol

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#15 May 21, 2019 12:06 pm

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I spent thousands of extra dollars to put a geothermal HVAC system in my home.  It is the most efficient system possible where I live.  Further, my house is as highly insulated as is possible to save energy.  Every bulb in my house is LED.   I have land I have put into wetland reserve for wildlife.  I recycle every day.  We don't buy things with too much packaging. My farm interests use no-till farming to avoid soil erosion. We also use solar energy on the farm. 

What else am I supposed to do?

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#16 May 21, 2019 6:33 pm

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Re: There is plastic at the bottom of the Mariana Trench

Vanni wrote:
houston wrote:

Here's an idea.
Instead of investing billions of dollars on collecting moon rocks and red sand from Mars, maybe we could invest on cleaning up our own yard first and ship the trash into space later. The next generation can figure it out.

Oh yes we better take care of our own issues, before we want to export them beyond Earth's sphere. They will follow us everywhere we may go, and build up, until we understand our priorities.

I am convinced that we won't need to trash space: there are solutions which we have not yet either conceived of, or found out, to depollute and recycle any matter - including nuclear waste - into something harmless, or even positive.

This is an example of some of that nuclear waste you mention Vanni.
Makes one wonder were else on the planet these powder kegs are buried. The potential effects on the environment, human life, marine life...
It doesn't dissolve and go away after burial.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/the … cking-open

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#17 May 21, 2019 7:48 pm

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Re: There is plastic at the bottom of the Mariana Trench

Real Distwalker wrote:

I spent thousands of extra dollars to put a geothermal HVAC system in my home.  It is the most efficient system possible where I live.  Further, my house is as highly insulated as is possible to save energy.  Every bulb in my house is LED.   I have land I have put into wetland reserve for wildlife.  I recycle every day.  We don't buy things with too much packaging. My farm interests use no-till farming to avoid soil erosion. We also use solar energy on the farm. 

What else am I supposed to do?


Sounds like you are doing all the good stuff, all you need to do is encourage your neighbours to do the same, or simply accept that while one rain drop will not make one iota of a difference, a few million equally small rain drops can cause a flood. Instead of the "it wont make one iota of a difference", try a little positivity. You are one of millions of rain drops washing the pollution out of the skies. OK so it's going to turn into acid rain, but we'll figure it out as we go.

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#18 May 23, 2019 4:32 am

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Re: There is plastic at the bottom of the Mariana Trench

houston wrote:
Vanni wrote:
houston wrote:

Here's an idea.
Instead of investing billions of dollars on collecting moon rocks and red sand from Mars, maybe we could invest on cleaning up our own yard first and ship the trash into space later. The next generation can figure it out.

Oh yes we better take care of our own issues, before we want to export them beyond Earth's sphere. They will follow us everywhere we may go, and build up, until we understand our priorities.

I am convinced that we won't need to trash space: there are solutions which we have not yet either conceived of, or found out, to depollute and recycle any matter - including nuclear waste - into something harmless, or even positive.

This is an example of some of that nuclear waste you mention Vanni.
Makes one wonder were else on the planet these powder kegs are buried. The potential effects on the environment, human life, marine life...
It doesn't dissolve and go away after burial.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/the … cking-open

Obviously, merely burying something which half-life is of tens of thousands of years, is not the wisest.

If we can ignite nuclear reaction, we should make sure we can stop the process, before we even start it. So, even if late and after some major catastrophes, I know that there are technologies which are able to revert nuclear reaction, and we'll find them out, even if not in the sequence which wisdom would have dictated. And we'll be able to take care of any nuclear waste.

Same goes for plastic. First of all, plastic can be developed from other sources than petrochemistry.

Then, some micro-organisms have been discovered, which are able to eat, digest and transform plastics. And then some plastics are getting developed, which are bio degradable at a faster pace and in certain conditions = not in our garden (yet?), but in transformation centres providing masses of certain bacteria specialised in its transformation. We're getting there.

By the way, we can distinguish between some plastics desirable to be easily bio-degradable - as for the food industry for example - and some plastics being more durable - as for furniture and others. But in each case, which would not end up being such a long-lasting issue.

Plastic is a fantastic material, it can be developed much further, and we'll find the way to give it the place it deserves - no more as a partial calamity, but as a blessing.

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