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#1 Mar 19, 2021 12:23 am

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The WHO doesn't want travel passports

Unlike the G7, and other entities, THEY at least realise we actually know F All about what this vaccine is doing.

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It would be nice if some of you muppets could realise THEY REALLY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE.

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#2 Mar 19, 2021 12:38 am

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Re: The WHO doesn't want travel passports

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Really.

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#3 Mar 19, 2021 11:26 am

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Of the large nations, the UK and US are the champions on getting vaccines out.  Europe is fumbling badly.  Look at this table.  On the left you can see infection rates on January one.  The US and UK are at the top.  Now the US and UK are at the bottom.  That should give you a clue about the effectiveness.


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#4 Mar 19, 2021 11:58 am

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But ... we're all gonna DIE!!!!!

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#5 Mar 19, 2021 12:33 pm

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Expat has used several arguments to undermine vaccines...

1) The pandemic isn't bad at all.

2) The disease isn't bad at all.

3) The vaccines do not work.

4) The vaccines will kill us.

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#6 Mar 19, 2021 12:48 pm

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1) Wrong

2) Wrong

3) Wrong

.......

Geddit?

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#7 Mar 19, 2021 10:59 pm

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Real Distwalker wrote:

Expat has used several arguments to undermine vaccines...

1) The pandemic isn't bad at all.

2) The disease isn't bad at all.

3) The vaccines do not work.

4) The vaccines will kill us.


1) it may be bad, but it aint half as bad as Bill Gates and the boys are painting it. They have misrepresented figures, issued DNR instructions, killed thousands of people (accidentally) by treating them with ventilators when it wasn't apropriate, killed thousands more particularily in America with a policy of keeping patients who did have covid basically untreated until they became critically ill, and then using last ditch attempts at saving them when they were already too ill to benefit. They also have a system of booking EVERY death where there is just a hint of maybe covid as covid. It is well documanted that people who died in car and motorcycle accidents who tested positive previously were marked as having died of covid. Even a friend of mine in Italy stated categorically they had to cut the dead man out of the car it was so mashed up, and they booked it as covid. In Italy once you are covid, you never come off the list even when you test negative, 10 years from now you will die of covid even if you fell off a tree while pruning it.

2) Once you have the disease it isn't bad for around 80% of the people who are nearly always young and do not have co-morbidities, you should know RD you and members of your younger family had it, and as far as you have told us did not even get "long covid". Definitely it is bad if it has something to get a grip on, it finds the weak spots in your body as it is a Heme illness, but it mostly affects the elderly. Even so the fatality rate is 0.6..Just because we are being bombarded with numbers does not mean when you do per capita for the most part that they are exceptional numbers. Even the current high rate of deaths in the richest best medicated country in the world should be 3 times higher if it was to compare to the 1918 debacle, as there is 3 times the population.

3) The vaccines do not work... yes and no. Yes, they do what they were intended to do.... more or less... they reduce levels of sickness, reducing hospitalisations and possibly reducing the viral shed a little bit in fullvaccinated people who have had time for their vaccination immunity to mature. So yes... for now.
But no, they do not stop you catching anything, they were never designed to and they don't... A normal recognised function of every other vaccine. The statement this one or that one is 95% effective is not in stopping the virus, it is in reducing clinical illness, which is pretty pathetic when the World is engulfed in a Pandemic.

4) Probably. There is an increasing number of high level virologists that are getting behind the ? German that stated the Vaccines are going to cause a Global fiasco.

The theory is extremely simple. Even Dullards should get it.

You create vaccine before the virus gets out of control, you give it to the weakest individuals that you know of first, and they have time for their immune system to mature, and everyone else catches an enhanced cold, as that is all that it is, most people get the sniffles, some people die... Every year thousands, even millions die from Flue, and colds that turned into pneumonia, no biggy.

With that combination the whole population gets challenged, it blows over, just about everybody with half an immune system develops a pretty strong level of immunity the virus becomes defunct, or just baseline background nouse, with little hiccups every other year maybe.

But pay attention girls, this is the biggie.  When you use a prophelactic treatment that does not stop transmission or contagion in the middle of a raging pandemic where peoples immune system are sub optimal. They catch the virus as they always would have done, but they develop the virus within their bodies, pass it on to some other poor sod, and do that enough times, just like happened in all those Vaccine trial countries where the "New Variants are coming from... and hey presto you have a new strain which knows how to fight the vaccine. That might not be so bad if you could "boost", but as it mutates every 10 hours aparently, how the bloody hell are they going to create a new vaccine when they will have no idea what it's going to mutate to.

So, last lap.... You very quickly have a vaccine that can do F.A. it cannot see the new variants... it has only been trained to see the original.... It may have been able to fight a slightly different version, but as we already know it is having real problems fighting the South Africa one. But it gets worse.  You knew it would.... Your own immune system has been run roughshod over by the so called vaccine, your own immune sytem has been made basically useless with respect to covid. YOU HAVE NO PROTECTION. You are going to catch it, because your own immune system will not be allowed by the augmented vaccine to even try to mount a defence.

Conclusion.  Thanks to the vaccine, which was mostly pretty good as far as it went... the only treatment for vaccinated people will be the same pharmacueticals they could have used in the first place that the WHO and Oxford University to name but 2 ran trials on and because they gave potentially lethal doses to terminally ill patients in the trial, they,,, guess what... died.  Yep they pushed the poor buggers over the cliff.

So they have been denying treatments that could work, and they have been providing a psuedo vaccine that doesn't...... Not in the true meaning of a vaccine.

So that it... I am done... I have explained the current REAL DATA to the best of my limited ability. Just like NH, I have more than enough things to do than waste my time making you guys snigger like boys behind the bike shed having a secret smoke.

If you want to persist with your adolescent attempts to draw me into childishness you are going to be shit out of luck.

None of you seem to have the brains or ability to get past the first page of the Beano for the UK, or a Marvel comic in the USA, so be it on your own head.

RD actually managed to source a nearly convincing example of a clever boys thesis, but in the short period I took to read it, it was shaky at best.

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#8 Mar 19, 2021 11:08 pm

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Real Distwalker wrote:

Of the large nations, the UK and US are the champions on getting vaccines out.  Europe is fumbling badly.  Look at this table.  On the left you can see infection rates on January one.  The US and UK are at the top.  Now the US and UK are at the bottom.  That should give you a clue about the effectiveness.


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Despite the fact that cases and as a result hospital load, and deaths were falling before there had been any real number of vaccinations, so the gunpots curve is pretty much what we expect, just wait maybe 3 or 7 months and lets see where you graph lines are then.

When Iowa was in the clear you were jumping up and down saying Iowa was the centre of the safe universe... and then Iowa became one of the epicentres. The whole thing is dynamic. There are logical reasons for each and every connundrum which may not be obvious in the moment, but will be clarified as the graph keeps rolling on.

Why did Norway have a low blip, and Sweden with no lock down have a slightly... not enormous higher blip.... Ohhh because Norway locked down, and Sweden didn't.  Errr no, Previous season Norway had a lot of fatalities during the flue season, and Sweden had a light flue season, so lots more vulnerable people were alive to be taken out by covid.

In the mean time Sweden had an open society just taking care but living normal lives just like with any other bad cold or flue, and Norway ground to a halt.

Not every event is as simple as you might like it to be.

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