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#11 Jun 08, 2017 2:33 pm

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Re: Is there hope for Haiti?

Vanni wrote:

Helping whoever in need to get a decent and comfortable infrastructure and help them to maintain it until independence and autonomy of these people - using, for example, (a portion of) the money put into weapons and wars, among others:

no one can find any excuse against this, can one?


Oh but they do: just look at what's happening in Trumpland!

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#12 Jun 08, 2017 4:03 pm

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Re: Is there hope for Haiti?

"The sad, counter-intuitive, truth of this world is that you cannot cure poverty by giving people money."

Agreed, but you can give them OPPORTUNITY. And Haiti will never have the opportunity to raise themselves out of poverty, if they can't even concentrate on where they're getting their next meal from, let alone how to accumulate wealth. If they can't read, if they are unhealthy, if they have no basic infrastructure, they are starting the race 10 feet behind the starting line. And why are they there? Because of history, because of the actions of the countries that directly kept Haiti poor, ignorant and backward.

THAT is the kind of reparation that Haiti needs, not filthy lucre - infrastructure, education!!

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#13 Jun 08, 2017 5:59 pm

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Re: Is there hope for Haiti?

New Historian wrote:

THAT is the kind of reparation that Haiti needs, not filthy lucre - infrastructure, education!!

I don't disagree.  They never had a chance to learn.

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#14 Jun 09, 2017 3:59 am

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Re: Is there hope for Haiti?

Slice wrote:
New Historian wrote:

The tragedy of Haiti is also its finest moment. Because Haiti had the "audacity" to earn its freedom from slavery through revolution, the imperial powers of France, Britain and USA made Haiti pay a heavy price, to this day. When half your national income has to be spent on reparation payments to your former slave masters, is it any wonder that the country has no education, no health, no civil society, no government institutions; in short: no civilization? Haiti was paying France "reparations" up until the 1940s.

Reparations? Start with Haiti.


Reparations?  Should start with Papa and Baby doc.

I give up on Haiti a long time ago.


I am now reading, the Kingdom of this World by Cuban writer, Alejo Carpentier. It is written in beautiful prose. It chronicles slavery under the French (a culture I loathe). The rise of Voudou priests like Macandal and Boukman. The story is told from the view point of Ti Noel, a slave. The book showed that when slavery ended, the blacks went on the exploit each other just like their white masters. Haiti was doomed from the start. A free black nation could not sustain itself from being recaptured and exploited by European nations. Many people speculated that the reign of "Papa Doc" not hiss idiotic son, Jean Claude, brought Haiti prosperity. Haiti had a history of brutality from the beginning. Human rights violations began during Henri Christophe's  reign. Corruption, extravagant spending, etc, still goes on. Democratic values are absent for good leadership is absent. Serve the people, built better lives for them, educate the young, etc is not a priority. Is there hope for Haiti? A shaky foundation was its dramatic fall.

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